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IT Workers Worst Dressed Employees

Zonk posted more than 9 years ago | from the sometimes-i-even-wear-pants dept.

It's funny.  Laugh. 959

Poorly Dressed Anonymous Coward wrote to mention are article run in the Syndney Morning Herald saying that IT workers have been dubbed the worst dressed corporate employees. From the article: "Help-desk staff were named as the worst offenders, followed by those working in technology start-ups, many of whom had continued to wear T-shirts to work as a consequence of the casual web culture of the '90s. 'The internet is now such a massive industry but people haven't caught up in terms of their dress'."

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What ya need is... (5, Funny)

gbulmash (688770) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058001)

What ya need is Nerd Grranimals.

Who would be best poised to offer this? Which computer manufacturer has the best design/style sensibilities? Apple of course. Steve Jobs should put out a line of fashionable nerdwear with photos of electronic components on the interior labels.

Each line (named after cool-sounding components like "Capacitor", "Resistor", "North Bridge") has its own signature style and contains a 3 or 4 of each type of item (pants, shoes, shirts, sweaters, coats, blazers). Any combo within the line will look good. Buy two complete lines and you have a week's worth of outfits. Capacitor shirt, capacitor pants, capacitor shoes... you're color coordinated, looking good, and it took you no time at all.

Furthermore, they should have no complex care instructions (wash in warm, tumble dry regular), be seriously stain resistant, and be wrinkle resistant so they don't show the wrinkling effects of all-nighters. And most importantly, make them comfortable.

- Greg

Marketing departments voted "Most Metrosexual" (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#14058083)

... while another survey concluded that marketing is the most "Ghey" or "Metrosexual" (76%) of all departments. "I don't know what it is but the way those guys in marketing call eachother "bro" all of the time and complement eachother on their shoes and accesories is a bit ... yeah" said shipping supervisor Randy Beatty.

Re:What ya need is... (5, Funny)

forkazoo (138186) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058104)

I think you have something there. Between reverse engineering embedded devices, and studying obscure languages, I just don't feel much reason to try and study fashion. If somebody sold a simple low-maintenance fasion line with a guide to how to mix and match the pieces, and a simple explanation of what was appropriate at which location, I would buy in. I do my best with fashion, but I'm told that my best isn't anything to brag about.

If I could get office-appropriate wrinkle resistant shirts A-F, and pants 1-3, and consult a simple n-dimensional style-matching matrix on the website, I might finally get to talk to a girl.

and, the website should have an easy to query API for style-match checking.

Re:What ya need is... (1)

nsanders (208050) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058108)

(Score:3, Funny)

Funny? But, I'd really buy those lines...

Re:What ya need is... (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#14058115)

they should have no complex care instructions (wash in warm, tumble dry regular),

Whoa, whoa, whoa there. (*writing*) wash..in..warm... what was the next part?

Re:What ya need is... (1)

BrynM (217883) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058121)

Apple of course.
Then we would all look like one of these [apple.com] people. Weird.

Re:What ya need is... (1)

flyboy974 (624054) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058125)

So let me get this straight. What you are suggesting is:

Pants: Ralph Lauren Jeans, Old Navy Carpenter Pants, and one set of Docker Shorts
Shirts: Favorite White Developer Conference T-Shirt, Black Long Sleve F5 T-Shirt, One Polo shirt (For when you are interviewing)
Shoes: One white Asics, One brown Timerlines, One pair Doc Martins

I knew I was fasionable.

Didn't Steve Balmer appoligize to the people at the Microsoft Visual Studio launch for wearing a suit? Very unlike him (it was press day, so, we'll forgive him.. NOT!)

Re:What ya need is... (1)

moosesocks (264553) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058135)

I have a feeling that this would be a pretty BAD IDEA [preinheimer.com] (check out that bowtie and haircut!)

That said, 20 years later, Steve Jobs has taken the hint. Black turtlenecks look good on just about anyone

Re:What ya need is... (1)

Boap (559344) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058147)

That is not a bad idea. I know I have no fashion sense and therfor stick to dark blue/black slacks and a grey or light blue shirt. I personally hate the colors of the clothes but the look ok together in almost any combination.

What kind of tyrant ... (5, Funny)

Empty Yo (828138) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058003)

forces their IT folks to wear clothes. Shouldn't the fur be enough?

Re:What kind of tyrant ... (1)

eric76 (679787) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058090)

I'm dressed better than usual today - flannel shirt and bib overalls. Usually I wear t-short and shorts.

Re:What kind of tyrant ... (5, Funny)

idontgno (624372) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058139)

Shouldn't the fur be enough?

Not if you're soldering, welding, or operating high-rotational-speed power tools.

Believe me on this one.

We're not gay... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#14058005)

That's why. We're not a bunch of sissy art fags.

Re:We're not gay... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#14058048)

I am.

How strange. (5, Insightful)

lgw (121541) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058006)

The Herald seems to think that allowing workers to dress comfortably is a *bad* thing. How strange.

Re:How strange. (1)

Cipster (623378) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058077)

It made me chuckle that they would equate wearing a T-Shirt with being poorly dressed. Dressing up does not equate dressing well. There is nothing I find more annoying than middle manager attire: cheap suit and shirt, boring or overly colored tie, dress shoes with "comfortable" soles, and of course see through socks (bought in a pack of six at COSTCO).

Re:How strange. (2, Insightful)

stinkyfish (815530) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058091)

nah, its not the herald that has the problem, its the moron corporate fashion wanker that seem to think that everyone should wear shiny purple shirts from morrisey and country road shoes and that clothes make you better at your job. seriously, get a real job and stop telling me what i should wear while doing mine.

Re:How strange. (3, Interesting)

gbulmash (688770) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058112)

You can dress comfortably and fashionably at the same time. A pair of Old Navy khakis, a pair of rockport walking shoes, and a decent button down shirt is not a difficult ensemble to throw together and it looks more stylish than jeans and a t-shirt.

I've lived in/near Seattle for the last 6 years, working in the tech industry, and I've regularly seen people come to work in sweats or wearing shorts in the dead of winter (and it gets cold up here - we're only a 3 hour drive from Canada). The most disconcerting thing, though, is the growing presence of fat guys in kilts.

- Greg

Re:How strange. (5, Insightful)

AuMatar (183847) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058181)

Yes, but who really gives a shit? Will dressing up make me code better than if I come in shorts (or sweats)? Will it magicly make me produce fewer bugs? No? Then I'll dress how I want- cheaply and comfortably. You don't like it? Too damn bad. I really don't give a shit.

Re:How strange. (1)

BrynM (217883) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058216)

The most disconcerting thing, though, is the growing presence of fat guys in kilts.
That would be Steve's [utilikilts.com] doing. He founded the company up in your town. I got mine from him waaayyy back when he was selling them personally at a booth in Pike Market. I don't wear mine to work though. They were originally meant for construction workers.

Re:How strange. (1)

temojen (678985) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058137)

Or that style is a more important metric than performance.

Re:How strange. (2, Interesting)

s20451 (410424) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058163)

Dressing comfortably and dressing well are not mutually exclusive. It's possible to look great in jeans and t-shirt, if the jeans and t-shirt are stylish, just as it's possible to look like a dork while wearing a suit and tie, if the suit and tie came from Wal-Mart.

Geeks shouldn't be afraid to put thought into their clothes. Style is not completely mysterious, and though the rules can sometimes be subtle, they are learnable with a bit of effort. What's more, looking nice does wonders for your self-confidence and your authority with others, whether they are conscious of the effect or not. It doesn't even have to be expensive if you know where to look.

Also: Chicks dig it when you ask them to go clothes shopping with you. You get style advice, and they get to play with a life-sized Ken doll.

Re:How strange. (3, Funny)

pwrtool 45 (792547) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058208)

and they get to play with a life-sized Ken doll.


*AHEM* I have a penis, thankyouverymuch.

Re:How strange. (3, Insightful)

Denyer (717613) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058210)

At a guess, the Herald has accepted (or thinly reworded) a press release from a PR firm paid to pass such things on to media such as TV or newspapers. In this instance, the PR firm will be working on behalf of a manufacturer that produces suits.

It's unlikely the Herald is engaged in any active thought whatsoever.

FP!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#14058010)

i bet this aint the real FP

Hey! (1)

ApuD2 (929032) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058011)

I take offense to that article. I think I'm a very well dressed IT employee. Now excuse me, a pen has exploded in my shirt pocket again.

Re:Hey! (1)

MexicanMenace (673792) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058201)

You've got red on you.

at least your expected to look bad (1)

Brigadier (12956) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058012)



I'm a project manager at an architecture firm. On my best day i can muster some black jeans and a polo shirt with boots. All my coworkers have horn rimmed glasses with silk slacks and pastel colored shirts. Plus they wear trech coats in the middle of summer. maybe I should get a job in help desk that way I woudl fit right in.

Re:at least your expected to look bad (1)

Anarchitect_in_oz (771448) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058219)

Hey your not Sydney are you?

We are looking for an extra Architect in our office sounds like you'd fit the role. Don't worry about those Designer types, we do work on real buildings.

Re:at least your expected to look bad (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#14058226)

You're a project manager for an architecture firm and you don't know the difference between your and you're? Remind me not to trust any of your buildings not to collapse on me.

Oh come on (1)

Barkley44 (919010) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058014)

everyone I work with gets a great laugh when I tell them I work in my underwear in my basement... my underwear is pretty fashionable!

Re:Oh come on (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#14058050)

First, you shouldn't refer to your parents' basement as your basement. That's disrespectful. Second, this is a "laugh-at-you-not-with-you" situation, FYI.

Re:Oh come on (1)

Barkley44 (919010) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058114)

Of course, it doesn't go over well when I need to ask a question over MSN

Have a sec for a quickie?

You wouldn't believe the number of times I've got caught on that.

Consequence of the casual web culture (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#14058022)

A major consequence of the casual web culture of the '90s was rampant bankruptcy which lead to the rapid up-tick of t-shirts and sweat pants as a fashion statement, and not heating your home in the dead of winter. 55 degrees is awful cold when all you have to wear is t-shirts I can tell you.

Eewww. (5, Funny)

Limburgher (523006) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058024)

And if you must wear jeans and thongs in to work,

If I wear jeans, how can anyone tell if I'm wearing a thong? :)

Re:Eewww. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#14058100)

Stupid yanks

Re:Eewww. (4, Funny)

AsnFkr (545033) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058105)

If I wear jeans, how can anyone tell if I'm wearing a thong? :)

Gotta get a promotion somehow.

Re:Eewww. (3, Funny)

thrillseeker (518224) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058129)

If I wear jeans, how can anyone tell if I'm wearing a thong? :)

Your, uh, big toe sticks out.

That... is funny! (4, Funny)

thecampbeln (457432) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058152)

May I translate? Here in the great land down under, thongs are something you'd wear with your togs and sunnies, not with your dacks. Did that help?

Re:That... is funny! (2, Informative)

thecampbeln (457432) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058185)

[and now for the REAL translation... thongs = flip-flops, togs = swim suit, sunnies = sun glasses, and dacks = underwear ...from a Cali lad caught in the land of Oz.]

Re:Eewww. (1)

st0rmshad0w (412661) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058189)

The term "whaletail" mean anything to you?

Re:Eewww. (1)

circusboy (580130) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058218)

lack of a panty line...

Hmmm. (1, Interesting)

croddy (659025) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058025)

Methinks it the fellows in suits the ones who are behind the times.

Goddamn right (3, Interesting)

confusednoise (596236) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058026)

You bet your ass. It's a great thing about being a developer that (usually) it doesn't matter what I look like. Sure, when dealing with clients face to face it's important, but otherwise it doesn't matter.

I guess the real question is why do IT workers get that freedom when others don't? There's certainly lots of other positions in the world where appearance matters as little. Is it because we've successfully trained the world to diminish their clothing expectations of geeks?

Re:Goddamn right (5, Funny)

Dr. Evil (3501) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058183)

There's an upside and a downside.

If you don't dress well, you won't get promoted to management.

I forgot what the downside was.

reasons for "casual" wear (2, Insightful)

Geekboy(Wizard) (87906) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058029)

I move servers around, and get dirty regularlly. If I rip a teeshirt, I'm not too upset about it, but if I rip a dress shirt, then its gone. Same thing with pants.

Thats not to say I go to work in ripped clothes. I get clean and decent looking stuff, which is also sturdy.

And its kinda silly to give me shit about my clothes when I have my labret (lower lip) pierced. (Yes, I kept it in during the interview process.)

*** Looks down at shirt... *** (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#14058031)

***Wipes off ketchup from lunch...***

What's their point?

liberate (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#14058034)

the ethics of dressing well for work are nothing but pathetic capitalist renforcements.

uhh, screw off ... yes ... SCREW OFF! (0, Flamebait)

puzzled (12525) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058037)


  I work at home. Three days a week. Maybe. I make as much as I did during the so called 'internet boom'. I pretty much wear whatever is in the closet unless I'm seeing customers, in which case its jeans and a button down shirt.

  Right now, if I was inclined to view these so called 'job offers' as anything more than the local equivalent of a 419 scam, I could make a princely $5k - $25k more than I make now ... for taking those two days I now have to myself and spending them dressing up, kissing ass, and in general wasting time. Oh, and they won't like my attitude in six months, and we'll have that whole tiresome "you can't work in this state because of our noncompete" B.S. It *is* just exactly like a 419 scam in many ways.

  This looks like a Slashdot product placement ... but for fashion? Good heavens the clothing industry must be *desperate* to be trolling here. My fashion statement for the rest of 2005 might be some new underwear if I happen to get near the mall. Maybe. Unless global warming really kicks in and I can go without :-)

Don't dress too nicely (5, Funny)

Daleks (226923) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058042)

After Christmas last year I got a bunch of nice clothes. Black leather ankle boots, cashmere & wool sweaters, dress shirts, etc. You could say I was mildly metrosexual. When I started a new job the following January I was heckled by quite a few people in the company. One woman always said, "Hey that's a nice shirt... are you gay!?" The best part is the people who were actually gay in the office felt left out because no one was noticing their dress.

Re:Don't dress too nicely (2, Interesting)

Elwood P Dowd (16933) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058119)

I feel the opposite. A year and a half ago, I ran out of clean clothes and wore a suit to work. My boss was mildly intimidated and quit treating me like his child. So I continued dressing more nicely than anyone in IT and he continued treating me like an adult... for a month or two. Still wear the slightly nicer clothes though.

Translation (5, Informative)

Psionicist (561330) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058043)

Translation: I work for a PR firm and I would really like you to buy more different clothes so my employer will get more money. Be a good consumer and buy a real shirt, not a polyester one. Then the firm will be happy, and you will perhaps get laid!

Seriously, Paul Graham has an essay about this (sort of) here: http://www.paulgraham.com/submarine.html [paulgraham.com]

"Suits make a corporate comeback," says the New York Times. Why does this sound familiar? Maybe because the suit was also back in February, September 2004, June 2004, March 2004, September 2003, November 2002, April 2002, and February 2002.

Why do the media keep running stories saying suits are back? Because PR firms tell them to. One of the most surprising things I discovered during my brief business career was the existence of the PR industry, lurking like a huge, quiet submarine beneath the news. Of the stories you read in traditional media that aren't about politics, crimes, or disasters, more than half probably come from PR firms.

Bait (5, Insightful)

BrynM (217883) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058044)

From TFA:
Ms Moss believes money should be no object when it comes to dressing well.
So this basically boils down to "These damn geeks don't spend like we got those 'bling' kids to". I was soooo hoping for some pictures of the most daring/oblivious of our kind. Oh well. If my company dress code says I can wear tee shirts, then I can. What the hell is so wrong with that?

Re:Bait (1)

whathappenedtomonday (581634) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058191)

I was soooo hoping for some pictures of the most daring/oblivious of our kind.

here you go [dba-oracle.com] . They must all be IT staff...

Honesty and Dress Sense: Inversely porportional (2, Insightful)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058047)

In my 10 year career as a techie, I've noticed something about technical people: Those who are the most honest, the least hype driven, have horrid dress sense; where those with the best dress sense are the .bomb millionaires who will leave the country still owing you unpaid paychecks.

This seems to hold true in insurance, real estate, used car salesmen, etc. If somebody is wearing a suit, it's because they're trying to distract you from some other deeper, more important character flaw.

Re:Honesty and Dress Sense: Inversely porportional (1)

KiloByte (825081) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058149)

Good, this means that my strategy is going to make everyone trust me.

Re:Honesty and Dress Sense: Inversely porportional (2, Funny)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058161)

Which way are you going? I said I noticed the inverse porportion law- not that the rest of society did!

Re:Honesty and Dress Sense: Inversely porportional (1)

slavemowgli (585321) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058179)

Very true, but there's more to it: the same thing also holds when you're a manager trying to assess those who work for you. Granted, the fact that someone dresses more sloppily than others doesn't automatically make them better at their job, of course, but my own experience seems to support the hypothesis that there is still some truth to it.

Those who are exceptionally good at their job can afford to dress more sloppily - their bosses will be willing to overlook these things, considering the quality of their work. When someone dresses extremely neatly, on the other hand, it might be that he doesn't have any other redeeming qualities really.

Of course, this only goes for people who're not dealing with customers etc.

Agreed (1)

Donniedarkness (895066) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058051)

I used to work at a school, and I was easily one of the better-dressed people there.

I was an exception, however, as my co-workers were kind of weirded out that I didn't wear shorts or T-shirts to work.

Why should IT workers dress any differently? (1)

Oz0ne (13272) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058053)

For the force of people behind the phones, terminals, and computers of the world, what reason do they have to dress in any way other than comfortable?

Honestly, I'm curious, what's the point? The clothes make the man? Professionalism to whom? The person on the other end of the phone or screen?

Re:Why should IT workers dress any differently? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#14058193)

same reason they suggest you smile when you talk on the phone

it has an effect on you

dressing professionally isn't just to "impress" other people

it is also so that you are more inclined to take your job seriously and view yourself as a "professional"

what does that mean exactly and is it worth it in your case? your decision

Computer casual (1)

sp5 (867987) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058059)

Most people at my work place (myself included) wear "computer casual" ware consisting of a polo/golf shirt and jeans. This is also convenient when you're playing golf after work, you just need to change into a pair of khakis and you can hit the links.

-sp-

Who cares? (3, Insightful)

JustNiz (692889) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058061)

If you work in a cube all day and never see a client, whats the problem?
I hate these beaurocratic types that have nothing to do but invent stupid rules, such as expecting everyone to dress to their standard even though there's no practical benefit.
Its what I DO when I'm at work that should matter, NOT what I wear.

Re:Who cares? (1)

sp5 (867987) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058204)

If you work in a cube all day and never see a client, whats the problem?

I hate these beaurocratic types that have nothing to do but invent stupid rules, such as expecting everyone to dress to their standard even though there's no practical benefit.

Its what I DO when I'm at work that should matter, NOT what I wear.

Fair enough, but when a co-worker wears the same thing everyday (my high school chemistry teacher did just that) or haven't seen the inside of a shower in weeks that's where I draw the line -- I don't want to work anywhere near "stinky".

What one wears might not affect the work done itself, but could still negatively affect the workplace (i.e. productivity) as a whole.

Maybe (1)

Elwood P Dowd (16933) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058062)

Our help desk staff is worse dressed than anyone in the company, but they are
  1. crawling underneath desks
  2. paid less
so who gives a shit?
Ms Moss believes money should be no object when it comes to dressing well.
Either Australians use that phrase differently than we do, or Ms Moss was misunderstood, or she can curl up and die. Money's no object when it comes to feeding your kids. That is, oddly enough, a higher priority for our help desk staff. Sorry if that means the folks at Gap have to fleece a few more idiots to make keep up on their BMW leases.

No one here cares that our lead technician wears Raider-motif shirts to work. He's the best tech we've ever had.

Re:Maybe (1)

eric76 (679787) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058130)

When I lived in Houston, someone told me about one wealthy woman who provided daily suits and ties to the construction workers remodeling her house.

Stupid, but it nearly made me laugh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#14058065)

In capitalist America, internet does not dress YOU!

Wow, the fashion industry wants us to buy clothes! (4, Funny)

Marrow (195242) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058068)


Who woulda thunk it!

Priorities. (1)

bgog (564818) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058078)

What do you mean "They havn't caught up" you dolt. The author needs to realize that people who worry about what others are wearing are wasting time, space, air etc.

If you encounter customers, fine, dress up. As managment, if you are worrying about what Bob in engineering is wearing, then you have your priorities sorely messed up. Perhaps worrying about ways to make the company profitable would be better. Or, (gasp), how to make the office a nicer place for your employees to work.

If you judge someone by what they are wearing then you are missing out on some very talented, brilliant people. Quite frankly I question the intellegence of some guy who preens himself for 90 minutes every morning to get each strand of his used-car-salesman due slicked back.

END VENT.

Substance vs. style (1)

stevewz (192317) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058080)

I'd much rather focus my energy on getting the job done correctly and on time than on merely looking good. Wearing comfortable clothes helps me focus on the work and not be distracted by that tie around my neck, slowly choking off the blood flow to my brain.

In corporate culture, Marketing Types are the archetype of this premise ... they'd rather look good than do anything that's actually valuable in life (e.g. promote product features that actually obey the laws of physics).

Not too surprising (4, Insightful)

demonbug (309515) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058082)

In general, IT workers are not the ones interacting directly with clients in-person, but instead are mostly interacting with people within their own company. Because of this, first impressions really don't matter that much. And, I'm afraid, first impressions are the only reason to get dressed up for business (that, or lack of imagination and fixation on inconsequential things, which is admittedly somewhat descriptive of middle and upper management).

Of course, dressing nicely does help some people focus, and I think it can be beneficial for many to have "work" clothes and "non-work" clothes in order to better differentiate between work and home, but (in another sweeping generalization) I'd say tech nerds (obviously the whole of the IT industry) feel less of a need to discriminate between home and work than some other groups.

My theory (1)

Crimsane (815761) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058086)

I beleive pants restrict code-flow.
At least thats what I tell my boss when he complains he's never seen me in pants.

That, or I ask him why he's looking at my legs.

Move along (1)

bvwj (473084) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058102)

Yet another fashion industry press release designed to convince everyone we should buy more expensive clothes.

Think of the poor PHBs (1)

wiredlogic (135348) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058106)

'The internet is now such a massive industry but people haven't caught up in terms of their dress'.

Agreed. Remember to get your favorite PHB a weeks supply of work T-shirts for Xmas.

Ya Know What They Say? (1)

rirugrat (255768) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058107)

"Always dress for the position you strive for, not for the one you are in" -Some Middle Management Suck Up

It would explain why the Service Desk agents are disregarding this advice. It would also explain why Kenneth Lay always favored pinstripes...

Corporate Stylist??!? (4, Funny)

bgog (564818) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058109)

corporate stylist, Melanie Moss

OMG if your job title is corporate stylist you must immediatly proceed to kill whomever gave you that title and then yourself.

And that's bad? (1)

Spy der Mann (805235) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058113)

I mean, they're the underappreciated lonely guys working extra hours. At least let them wear what they want.

Oh come on! What about... (1)

TheDarkener (198348) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058116)

Hot Dog on a Stick employees?!

Follow the money? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#14058117)

The corporate parent is an Australian media holding company with lots of publications, including one fashion mag. As a general rule, would you go so far as to say that upscale fashion generates more ad revenue for these guys? There was no really blatant direct link, but you gotta figure the culture at this place must be very suit-oriented. They probably have a vested interest in forcinb people to shell out more for rags.

clothing nazis, bite me (1)

jjeffries (17675) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058128)

Nobody can see me on the other end of the telephone. It shouldn't matter if I've got a three-piece suit on, a t-shirt and shorts, or nothing. While Mister Professional sits around in his suit, scratching his head, I'll fire up a sniffer on my sticker-covered laptop and diagnose your problem in 2 minutes.

"Clothing makes the man" reflects everything I hate about society. Ok, not quite everything...

Lab Coats! (1)

MrTwist (807101) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058132)

I'm more than willing to adopt the dress of computer scientists of yesteryear. Nothing says "professional" like a lab coat. Or overalls. I really like the idea of overalls.

Silly (1)

ksc (651788) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058145)

Only geeks unfortunate enough to work on customer sites and such need to wear the corporate uniform. The rest are better off being allowed to stay comfy...

it could be we don't approve (1)

Revek (133289) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058151)

of suit wearing button monkeys.

More productive when uncomfortable? (3, Insightful)

odweaver (914814) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058153)

A happy worker is a productive worker
A suit is uncomfortable
A server room is extremely hot, which leads to more discomfort
Discomfort = happy???

What an..... (2, Insightful)

demachina (71715) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058154)

... assanine article to put on the front page.

Most IT workers aren't dealing with customers face to face most of the time. They are sitting in front of computers, and oddly enough, barring big advances in AI and machine vision computers don't care how you dress.

Quick tip #1. If you are sitting in front of a computer all comfort trumps fashion sense evertime.

Quick tip #2. Wearing a stiff buttoned collar with a tie is a pretty bad idea for comfort or probably even good health. I suspect managers do some of the dumb things they do due to the constriction of blood to their brain.

Quick tip #3. Formal dress is expensive and time consuming. Anything that requires dry cleaning is expensive, and ironing or pressing clothes likewise is time consuming or expensive. Most IT workers want to do more productive things with their time and money than going to the dry cleaners or shopping st Nordstrom's.

Quick tip #4. If you are a geek and meeting geeks from other companies chances are they will be in shirts and tee's too and they are going to conclude you are a noob or a phony if you wear a shirt and tie to the meeting. Only time you are gonna do it is if you are meeting executives from a customer because they wrongly place value, and make judgments, on how good or bad the tie you are wearing is. On the plus side ties are a top subject for casual chit chat among air headed executives.

People who deal in person with customers on a regular basis do have a motivation to dress well. Customers will judge you on it and get first impressions, rightly or wrongle.

People who don't deal with customers shouldn't be wearing expensive uncomfortable clothes on a daily basis.

A twist on this argument is people who do dress well are probably some of the least trustworthy:

    Politicians .... check
    Lawyers .... check
    Salesmen .... check
    Executives .... check
    Stock brokers .... check

You see these are all people who are spending big money to create a facade partially based on their wardrobe. They seek to impress you with their clothes to distract you from their substance.

Not on the IBM Help Desk... (1)

creimer (824291) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058168)

If you work on the IBM Help Desk, you can be shot (or fired, whichever is more painful) for not dressing properly. It depends on how formal (or informal) the host company is and if the lead IBM manager is a tradionalist.

I dress business casual (i.e., slacks and a polo shirt) in a laid back company. I would get into trouble in a more formal environment since I'm wearing New Balance Cross Trainer 450 shoes since I use public transportation and walk a mile to get to work.

Aren't T-Shirts good enough? (1)

sycomonkey (666153) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058169)

I think this looks at it wrong perspective. What they should ask is: Why aren't other industries abandoning Dress Codes? They seem unnessicary to me. I don't see why wearing what one wants, within reason, is dressing "badly". I happen to think the clothes look good, otherwise I wouldn't be wearing them!

It's Corporate's Fault... (1)

no_pets (881013) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058172)

...they should bring in more vendors with better swag to bestow upon the IT employees.

Help-desk staff were named as the worst offenders? (1)

dc.wander (415024) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058173)

I've worked help desk and would argue that t-shirts and jeans are an appropriate attire for the job because your interaction with the client is via telephone.
Those that disagree would do better to be more concerned with how an individuals professionalism shows through over the phone as opposed as to how they are dressed. This said, whenever I meet with a customer in person I always wear a suit.
I think that this lady is missing the point completely.

Lies! (1)

Rs_Conqueror (838344) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058175)

Well maybe if we all stopped buying 90% of our clothing at thinkgeek.com...

At a loss (1)

DaveJay (133437) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058176)

I'm at a loss to understand why t-shirts are considered bad corporate dress. Consider:

- They are comfortable
- They are hip (for instance, I'm wearing a green t-shirt with the "sabretooth lime" from Kingdom of Loathing right now)
- They are inexpensive and easy to clean

Plus, the work we do isn't client-facing, so why would our dress matter?

Oh! Wait! I remember now -- IT has become a mature industry, and so it is becoming populated with higher-ups who came from other industries where how you looked actually mattered, and they can't get with the times. Makes sense now.

No need to look good. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#14058198)

IT people don't really need to project an image to the rest of the business. We're not jugded on how we look, as much as how we perform.

Besides, Brooks Brothers doesn't have any WiFi/Bluetooth-enabled business suits anyway.

I though they were still waiting for the hippies (1)

mc6809e (214243) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058200)

to cut off their ponytails.

Something tells me they'll be waiting just as long for this current generation of geeks to stop wearing T-shirts to work.

pictures? (1)

BitwiseX (300405) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058207)

What? No pictures?

Dress codes are a form of control (1)

Belgand (14099) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058212)

Part of the reason behind corporate dress codes is to act as a form of control over the employees. Now, while definitely do this as an overt show of force (i.e. you belong to us, you will dress the way we want because *WE* not you, are in control) it's also done for the reason that it typically makes people feel more professional. You're not hanging out at home, you're at work, wearing your work clothes.

Is this always completely sensible though? No, it frequently isn't. I worked doing customer service over the phone and while the dress code was rarely if ever enforced we were still forbidden to wear hats and halfway through the summer they decided to enforce a ban on shorts as well. The only time we would interact with anyone was over the phone. Being tethered to your phone and monitored for every second of the day (e.g. going to the bathroom was something you did on your break) there wasn't even the ability to really interact with other employees face-to-face, let alone management or clients.

Don't forget the feather necklaces and deer horns (1)

mqduck (232646) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058214)

I think it's the guys who think they need to wear silly-looking ritualistic costume pieces like ties in order to get work done who are behind the times. For fuck's sake...

I've attained Fashion Nirvana (0)

Quirk (36086) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058221)

I own somewhere over 40 dark blue, cotton t-shirts, yes each and every one dark blue. I own a couple of dozen black cotton nylon mix cargo pants. Add in an untold number of black soxs and shorts and you have the sum total of my wardrobe.

I never have to worry about what matches what. Laundry is a snap, no whites with colours mix ups.

I've been dressing in this gear for a couple of years and everyone is now OK with it. Intrestingly I can almost grade the reactions by degree of intelligence/education. Professionals don't seem to care, especially in the health care professions.

As an added bonus I get to seriously grate people who can't see past whatever tribal dress code is forced on them.

If I ever hit lotto... (3, Funny)

Sebastopol (189276) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058232)

I'm gonna wear 3-piece tweed suits with a bowler and a handlebar moustache to work every day!

Just like physicists in the early 1900's. Seriously, ever seen how neatly employees at Bell Labs, Bayer, IBM and other famous places dressed back then?

(This coming from a person who's summer wardrobe consists of 18 black Haynes t-shirts from WalMart.)

Monkey See, Monkey Suit (1)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058241)

I think those losers, throwbacks with those shirts fastened up the front with little plastic widgets... you know, the ones with the flaps around their neck, sometimes carrying the little nooses draped down the front... they're badly dressed. With the edges embossed down their pants legs, like they're just out of the package. Those extra jackets that don't keep you warm because the chest is open. Some bizarre old-fashioned wear, like a penguin, but not as sharp.

T-shirts and jeans look a lot better. Expecially because they can have a lot more variety than those old uniforms. I miss the 90s.

Taking comfort too far... (1)

StupiderThanYou (896020) | more than 9 years ago | (#14058242)

"Because the majority of IT people are not in front of customers all the time, they tend to slack off," she said.
I hope they "slack on" again before seeing customers...
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