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Here We Go Again — Video Standards War 2010

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 4 years ago | from the there-is-always-a-war-somewhere dept.

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Andy Updegrove writes "Think of the words 'standards war,' and if you're of a certain age you're likely to think of the battle between the Betamax and VHS video tape formats. Fast forward, and you'll recall we just finished another video standards war between most of the same companies, this time between HD DVD and Blu-ray. Well, here we go again, except this time its the movie studios that are duking it out, and DRM issues are a big part of it. On the one side are five of the six major studios, dozens of cable, hardware, software, distribution and device vendors, and on the other side there's just Disney — and maybe Apple as well, and that's enough to have the other side worried."

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heh (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30725460)

downloading...

Hang on... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30725488)

How is this going to affect torrents except now we'll have to wait for one of two useless DRM schemes to be stripped away?

Re:Hang on... (2)

houstonbofh (602064) | more than 4 years ago | (#30725792)

It will boost them and people with a system for one DRM method will want to watch content from the other. Ooops...

Re:Hang on... (1)

negRo_slim (636783) | more than 4 years ago | (#30726302)

You say that now, but once they get a system like that that just works. It'll have a real shot as your average Joe is easily parted from their money for the sake of convenience.

Thanks but no thanks. (5, Insightful)

grub (11606) | more than 4 years ago | (#30725492)


[T]his time its the movie studios that are duking it out, and DRM issues is a big part of it.

I tend to prefer those video standards which are inclusive and unencumbered such as xvid and x264. They've survived. Our library, some of which is many years old, still plays.

No central server to authorize and track our viewing habits. No chance of having my devices' keys revoked. No need to keep all our gear connected to the net.

.

Re:Thanks but no thanks. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30726062)

I tend to prefer those video standards which are inclusive and unencumbered such as xvid and x264.

Those two aren't standards -- they're open source implementations of standards that are just as encumbered as most any of the others. If you notice on the official pages for both of those, you can only download the source, which you can compile yourself if you're so inclined. That's because it would violate several patents and licenses if they distributed compiled versions of them. On the other hand, there are a number of people out there who do distribute compiled versions, and they themselves run the risk of violating the law. But the project managers and product pages don't.

Re:Thanks but no thanks. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30726310)

So how do countless DVD manufacturers get away with xvid-capable players?

Re:Thanks but no thanks. (1)

negRo_slim (636783) | more than 4 years ago | (#30726348)

You may care about xvid and x264 and whatever other codec or container you want. But your average media consumer is more than likely not even aware of such things in any meaningful way. Convenience and ease of use are the name of the game for your average person.

Olds never die (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30725496)

It has cum to my attention that the entire Linux community is a hotbed of so called 'alternative sexuality,' which includes anything from hedonistic orgies to homosexuality to pedophilia.

What better way of demonstrating this than by looking at the hidden messages contained within the names of some of Linux's most outspoken advocates:

  • Linus Torvalds [microsoft.com] is an anagram of slit anus or VD 'L,' clearly referring to himself by the first initial.
  • Richard M. Stallman [geocities.com], spokespervert for the Gaysex's Not Unusual 'movement' is an anagram of mans cram thrill ad.
  • Alan Cox [microsoft.com] is barely an anagram of anal cox which is just so filthy and unchristian it unnerves me.

I'm sure that Eric S. Raymond, composer of the satanic homosexual [goatse.fr] propaganda diatribe The Cathedral and the Bizarre, is probably an anagram of something queer, but we don't need to look that far as we know he's always shoving a gun up some poor little boy's rectum. Update: Eric S. Raymond is actually an anagram for secondary rim and cord in my arse. It just goes to show you that he is indeed queer.

Update the Second: It is also documented that Evil Sicko Gaymond is responsible for a nauseating piece of code called Fetchmail [microsoft.com], which is obviously sinister sodomite slang for 'Felch Male' -- a disgusting practise. For those not in the know, 'felching' is the act performed by two perverts wherein one sucks their own post-coital ejaculate out of the other's rectum. In fact, it appears that the dirty Linux faggots set out to undermine the good Republican institution of e-mail, turning it into 'e-male.'

As far as Richard 'Master' Stallman goes, that filthy fudge-packer was actually quoted [salon.com] on leftist commie propaganda site Salon.com as saying the following: 'I've been resistant to the pressure to conform in any circumstance,' he says. 'It's about being able to question conventional wisdom,' he asserts. 'I believe in love, but not monogamy,' he says plainly.

And this isn't a made up troll bullshit either! He actually stated this tripe, which makes it obvious that he is trying to politely say that he's a flaming homo [comp-u-geek.net] slut [rotten.com]!

Speaking about 'flaming,' who better to point out as a filthy chutney ferret than Slashdot's very own self-confessed pederast Jon Katz. Although an obvious deviant anagram cannot be found from his name, he has already confessed, nay boasted of the homosexual [goatse.fr] perversion of corrupting the innocence of young children [slashdot.org]. To quote from the article linked:

'I've got a rare kidney disease,' I told her. 'I have to go to the bathroom a lot. You can come with me if you want, but it takes a while. Is that okay with you? Do you want a note from my doctor?'

Is this why you were touching your penis [rotten.com] in the cinema, Jon? And letting the other boys touch it too?

We should also point out that Jon Katz refers to himself as 'Slashdot's resident Gasbag.' Is there any more doubt? For those fortunate few who aren't aware of the list of homosexual [goatse.fr] terminology found inside the Linux 'Sauce Code,' a 'Gasbag' is a pervert who gains sexual gratification from having a thin straw inserted into his urethra (or to use the common parlance, 'piss-pipe'), then his homosexual [goatse.fr] lover blows firmly down the straw to inflate his scrotum. This is, of course, when he's not busy violating the dignity and copyright of posters to Slashdot by gathering together their postings and publishing them en masse to further his twisted and manipulative journalistic agenda.

Sick, disgusting antichristian perverts, the lot of them.

In addition, many of the Linux distributions (a 'distribution' is the most common way to spread the faggots' wares) are run by faggot groups. The Slackware [redhat.com] distro is named after the 'Slack-wear' fags wear to allow easy access to the anus for sexual purposes. Furthermore, Slackware is a close anagram of claw arse, a reference to the homosexual [goatse.fr] practise of anal fisting. The Mandrake [slackware.com] product is run by a group of French faggot satanists, and is named after the faggot nickname for the vibrator. It was also chosen because it is an anagram for dark amen and ram naked, which is what they do.

Another 'distro,' (abbrieviated as such because it sounds a bit like 'Disco,' which is where homosexuals [goatse.fr] preyed on young boys in the 1970s), is Debian, [mandrake.com] an anagram of in a bed, which could be considered innocent enough (after all, a bed is both where we sleep and pray), until we realise what other names Debian uses to describe their foul wares. 'Woody' is obvious enough, being a term for the erect male penis [rotten.com], glistening with pre-cum. But far sicker is the phrase 'Frozen Potato' that they use. This filthy term, again found in the secret homosexual [goatse.fr] 'Sauce Code,' refers to the solo homosexual [goatse.fr] practice of defecating into a clear polythene bag, shaping the turd into a crude approximation of the male phallus, then leaving it in the freezer overnight until it becomes solid. The practitioner then proceeds to push the frozen 'potato' up his own rectum, squeezing it in and out until his tight young balls erupt in a screaming orgasm.

And Red Hat [debian.org] is secret homo [comp-u-geek.net] slang for the tip of a penis [rotten.com] that is soaked in blood from a freshly violated underage ringpiece.

The fags have even invented special tools to aid their faggotry! For example, the 'supermount' tool was devised to allow deeper penetration, which is good for fags because it gives more pressure on the prostate gland. 'Automount' is used, on the other hand, because Linux users are all fat and gay, and need to mount each other [comp-u-geek.net] automatically.

The depths of their depravity can be seen in their use of 'mount points.' These are, plainly speaking, the different points of penetration. The main one is obviously/anus, but there are others. Militant fags even say 'there is no/opt mount point' because for these dirty perverts faggotry is not optional but a way of life.

More evidence is in the fact that Linux users say how much they love `man`, even going so far as to say that all new Linux users (who are in fact just innocent heterosexuals indoctrinated by the gay propaganda) should try out `man`. In no other system do users boast of their frequent recourse to a man.

Other areas of the system also show Linux's inherit gayness. For example, people are often told of the 'FAQ,' but how many innocent heterosexual Windows [amiga.com] users know what this actually means. The answer is shocking: Faggot Anal Quest: the voyage of discovery for newly converted fags!

Even the title 'Slashdot [geekizoid.com]' originally referred to a homosexual [goatse.fr] practice. Slashdot [kuro5hin.org] of course refers to the popular gay practice of blood-letting. The Slashbots, of course are those super-zealous homosexuals [goatse.fr] who take this perversion to its extreme by ripping open their anuses, as seen on the site most popular with Slashdot users, the depraved work of Satan, http://www.eff.org/ [eff.org].

The editors of Slashdot [slashduh.org] also have homosexual [goatse.fr] names: 'Hemos' is obvious in itself, being one vowel away from 'Homos.' But even more sickening is 'Commander Taco' which sounds a bit like 'Commode in Taco,' filthy gay slang for a pair of spreadeagled buttocks that are caked with excrement [pboy.com]. (The best form of lubrication, they insist.) Sometimes, these 'Taco Commodes' have special 'Salsa Sauce' (blood from a ruptured rectum) and 'Cheese' (rancid flakes of penis [rotten.com] discharge) toppings. And to make it even worse, Slashdot [notslashdot.org] runs on Apache!

The Apache [microsoft.com] server, whose use among fags is as prevalent as AIDS, is named after homosexual [goatse.fr] activity -- as everyone knows, popular faggot band, the Village People, featured an Apache Indian, and it is for him that this gay program is named.

And that's not forgetting the use of patches in the Linux fag world -- patches are used to make the anus accessible for repeated anal sex even after its rupture by a session of fisting.

To summarise: Linux is gay. 'Slash -- Dot' is the graphical description of the space between a young boy's scrotum and anus. And BeOS [apple.com] is for hermaphrodites and disabled 'stumpers.'

FEEDBACK

What worries me is how much you know about what gay people do. I'm scared I actually read this whole thing. I think this post is a good example of the negative effects of Internet usage on people. This person obviously has no social life anymore and had to result to writing something as stupid as this. And actually take the time to do it too. Although... I think it was satire.. blah.. it's early. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

Well, the only reason I know all about this is because I had the misfortune to read the Linux 'Sauce code' once. Although publicised as the computer code needed to get Linux up and running on a computer (and haven't you always been worried about the phrase 'Monolithic Kernel'?), this foul document is actually a detailed and graphic description of every conceivable degrading perversion known to the human race, as well as a few of the major animal species. It has shocked and disturbed me, to the point of needing to shock and disturb the common man to warn them of the impending homo [comp-u-geek.net]-calypse which threatens to engulf our planet.

You must work for the government. Trying to post the most obscene stuff in hopes that slashdot won't be able to continue or something, due to legal woes. If i ever see your ugly face, i'm going to stick my fireplace poker up your ass, after it's nice and hot, to weld shut that nasty gaping hole of yours. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

Doesn't it give you a hard-on to imagine your thick strong poker ramming it's way up my most sacred of sphincters? You're beyond help, my friend, as the only thing you can imagine is the foul penetrative violation of another man. Are you sure you're not Eric Raymond? The government, being populated by limp-wristed liberals, could never stem the sickening tide of homosexual [goatse.fr] child molesting Linux advocacy. Hell, they've given NAMBLA free reign for years!

you really should post this logged in. i wish i could remember jebus's password, cuz i'd give it to you. -- mighty jebus [slashdot.org], Slashdot

Thank you for your kind words of support. However, this document shall only ever be posted anonymously. This is because the 'Open Sauce' movement is a sham, proposing homoerotic cults of hero worshipping in the name of freedom. I speak for the common man. For any man who prefers the warm, enveloping velvet folds of a woman's vagina [bodysnatchers.co.uk] to the tight puckered ringpiece of a child. These men, being common, decent folk, don't have a say in the political hypocrisy that is Slashdot culture. I am the unknown liberator [hitler.org].

ROLF LAMO i hate linux FAGGOTS -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

We shouldn't hate them, we should pity them for the misguided fools they are... Fanatical Linux zeal-outs need to be herded into camps for re-education and subsequent rehabilitation into normal heterosexual society. This re-education shall be achieved by forcing them to watch repeats of Baywatch until the very mention of Pamela Anderson [rotten.com] causes them to fill their pants with healthy heterosexual jism [zillabunny.com].

Actually, that's not at all how scrotal inflation works. I understand it involves injecting sterile saline solution into the scrotum. I've never tried this, but you can read how to do it safely in case you're interested. (Before you moderate this down, ask yourself honestly -- who are the real crazies -- people who do scrotal inflation, or people who pay $1000+ for a game console?) -- double_h [slashdot.org], Slashdot

Well, it just goes to show that even the holy Linux 'sauce code' is riddled with bugs that need fixing. (The irony of Jon Katz not even being able to inflate his scrotum correctly has not been lost on me.) The Linux pervert elite already acknowledge this, with their queer slogan: 'Given enough arms, all rectums are shallow.' And anyway, the PS2 [xbox.com] sucks major cock and isn't worth the money. Intellivision forever!

dude did u used to post on msnbc's nt bulletin board now that u are doing anti-gay posts u also need to start in with anti-black stuff too c u in church -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

For one thing, whilst Linux is a cavalcade of queer propaganda masquerading as the future of computing, NT [linux.com] is used by people who think nothing better of encasing their genitals in quick setting plaster then going to see a really dirty porno film, enjoying the restriction enforced onto them. Remember, a wasted arousal is a sin in the eyes of the Catholic church [atheism.org]. Clearly, the only god-fearing Christian operating system in existence is CP/M -- The Christian Program Monitor. All computer users should immediately ask their local pastor to install this fine OS onto their systems. It is the only route to salvation.

Secondly, this message is for every man. Computers know no colour. Not only that, but one of the finest websites in the world is maintained by a Black Man [stileproject.com] . Now fuck off you racist donkey felcher.

And don't forget that slashdot was written in Perl, which is just too close to 'Pearl Necklace' for comfort.... oh wait; that's something all you heterosexuals do.... I can't help but wonder how much faster the trolls could do First-Posts on this site if it were redone in PHP... I could hand-type dynamic HTML pages faster than Perl can do them. -- phee [slashdot.org], Slashdot

Although there is nothing unholy about the fine heterosexual act of ejaculating between a woman's breasts, squirting one's load up towards her neck and chin area, it should be noted that Perl [python.org] (standing for Pansies Entering Rectums Locally) is also close to 'Pearl Monocle,' 'Pearl Nosering,' and the ubiquitous 'Pearl Enema.'

One scary thing about Perl [sun.com] is that it contains hidden homosexual [goatse.fr] messages. Take the following code: LWP::Simple -- It looks innocuous enough, doesn't it? But look at the line closely: There are two colons next to each other! As Larry 'Balls to the' Wall would openly admit in the Perl Documentation, Perl was designed from the ground up to indoctrinate it's programmers into performing unnatural sexual acts -- having two colons so closely together is clearly a reference to the perverse sickening act of 'colon kissing,' whereby two homosexual [goatse.fr] queers spread their buttocks wide, pressing their filthy torn sphincters together. They then share small round objects like marbles or golfballs by passing them from one rectum to another using muscle contraction alone. This is also referred to in programming 'circles' as 'Parameter Passing.'

And PHP [perl.org] stands for Perverted Homosexual Penetration. Didn't you know?

Thank you for your valuable input on this. I am sure you will be never forgotten. BTW: Did I mention that this could be useful in terraforming Mars? Mars rulaa. -- Eimernase [slashdot.org], Slashdot

Well, I don't know about terraforming Mars, but I do know that homosexual [goatse.fr] Linux Advocates have been probing Uranus for years.

That's inspiring. Keep up the good work, AC. May God in his wisdom grant you the strength to bring the plain honest truth to this community, and make it pure again. Yours, Cerberus. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

*sniff* That brings a tear to my eye. Thank you once more for your kind support. I have taken faith in the knowledge that I am doing the Good Lord [atheism.org]'s work, but it is encouraging to know that I am helping out the common man here.

However, I should be cautious about revealing your name 'Cerberus' on such a filthy den of depravity as Slashdot. It is a well known fact that the 'Kerberos' documentation from Microsoft is a detailed manual describing, in intimate, exacting detail, how to sexually penetrate a variety of unwilling canine animals; be they domesticated, wild, or mythical. Slashdot posters have taken great pleasure in illegally spreading this documentation far and wide, treating it as an 'extension' to the Linux 'Sauce Code,' for the sake of 'interoperability.' (The slang term they use for nonconsensual intercourse -- their favourite kind.)

In fact, sick twisted Linux deviants are known to have LAN parties, (Love of Anal Naughtiness, needless to say.), wherein they entice a stray dog, known as the 'Samba Mount,' into their homes. Up to four of these filth-sodden blasphemers against nature take turns to plunge their erect, throbbing, uncircumcised members, conkers-deep, into the rectum, mouth, and other fleshy orifices of the poor animal. Eventually, the 'Samba Mount' collapses due to 'overload,' and needs to be 'rebooted.' (i.e., kicked out into the street, and left to fend for itself.) Many Linux users boast about their 'uptime' in such situations.

Inspiring stuff! If only all trolls were this quality! -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

If only indeed. You can help our brave cause by moderating this message up as often as possible. I recommend '+1, Underrated,' as that will protect your precious Karma in Metamoderation [slashdot.org]. Only then can we break through the glass ceiling of Homosexual Slashdot Culture. Is it any wonder that the new version of Slashcode has been christened 'Bender'???

If we can get just one of these postings up to at least '+1,' then it will be archived forever! Others will learn of our struggle, and join with us in our battle for freedom!

It's pathetic you've spent so much time writing this. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

I am compelled to document the foulness and carnal depravity [catholic.net] that is Linux, in order that we may prepare ourselves for the great holy war that is to follow. It is my solemn duty to peel back the foreskin of ignorance and apply the wire brush of enlightenment.

As with any great open-source project, you need someone asking this question, so I'll do it. When the hell is version 2.0 going to be ready?!?! -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

I could make an arrogant, childish comment along the lines of 'Every time someone asks for 2.0, I won't release it for another 24 hours,' but the truth of the matter is that I'm quite nervous of releasing a 'number two,' as I can guarantee some filthy shit-slurping Linux pervert would want to suck it straight out of my anus before I've even had chance to wipe.

I desperately want to suck your monolithic kernel, you sexy hunk, you. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

I sincerely hope you're Natalie Portman [geocities.com].

Dude, nothing on slashdot larger than 3 paragraphs is worth reading. Try to distill the message, whatever it was, and maybe I'll read it. As it is, I have to much open source software to write to waste even 10 seconds of precious time. 10 seconds is all its gonna take M$ to whoop Linux's ass. Vigilence is the price of Free (as in libre -- from the fine, frou frou French language) Software. Hack on fellow geeks, and remember: Friday is Bouillabaisse day except for heathens who do not believe that Jesus died for their sins. Those godless, oil drench, bearded sexist clowns can pull grits from their pantaloons (another fine, fine French word) and eat that. Anyway, try to keep your message focused and concise. For concision is the soul of derision. Way. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

What the fuck?

I've read your gay conspiracy post version 1.3.0 and I must say I'm impressed. In particular, I appreciate how you have managed to squeeze in a healthy dose of the latent homosexuality you gay-bashing homos [comp-u-geek.net] tend to be full of. Thank you again. -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

Well bugger me!

ooooh honey. how insecure are you!!! wann a little massage from deare bruci. love you -- Anonymous Coward, Slashdot

Fuck right off!

IMPORTANT: This message needs to be heard (Not HURD [linux.org], which is an acronym for 'Huge Unclean Rectal Dilator') across the whole community, so it has been released into the Public Domain [icopyright.com]. You know, that licence that we all had before those homoerotic crypto-fascists came out with the GPL [apple.com] (Gay Penetration License) that is no more than an excuse to see who's got the biggest feces-encrusted [rotten.com] cock. I would have put this up on Freshmeat [adultmember.com], but that name is known to be a euphemism for the tight rump of a young boy.

Come to think of it, the whole concept of 'Source Control' unnerves me, because it sounds a bit like 'Sauce Control,' which is a description of the homosexual [goatse.fr] practice of holding the base of the cock shaft tightly upon the point of ejaculation, thus causing a build up of semenal fluid that is only released upon entry into an incision made into the base of the receiver's scrotum. And 'Open Sauce' is the act of ejaculating into another mans face or perhaps a biscuit to be shared later. Obviously, 'Closed Sauce' is the only Christian thing to do, as evidenced by the fact that it is what Cathedrals are all about.

Contributors: (although not to the eternal game of 'soggy biscuit' that open 'sauce' development has become) Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, phee, Anonymous Coward, mighty jebus, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, double_h, Anonymous Coward, Eimernase, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward, Anonymous Coward. Further contributions are welcome.

Current changes: This version sent to FreeWIPO [slashdot.org] by 'Bring BackATV' as plain text. Reformatted everything, added all links back in (that we could match from the previous version), many new ones (Slashbot bait links). Even more spelling fixed. Who wrote this thing, CmdrTaco himself?

Previous changes: Yet more changes added. Spelling fixed. Feedback added. Explanation of 'distro' system. 'Mount Point' syntax described. More filth regarding `man` and Slashdot. Yet more fucking spelling fixed. 'Fetchmail' uncovered further. More Slashbot baiting. Apache exposed. Distribution licence at foot of document.

ANUX -- A full Linux distribution... Up your ass!

Re:Olds never die (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30725756)

Update the troll, dude. Geocities is dead, man.

Nothing new here.. (1, Flamebait)

click2005 (921437) | more than 4 years ago | (#30725522)

Disney always tries their own thing... (and fails)

Its like when they tried to add crap to DVDs so that would stop working after a limited number of plays.

Re:Nothing new here.. (2, Informative)

dunezone (899268) | more than 4 years ago | (#30725560)

Actually, Disney used a very effective anti-copy technique when they were still using VHS. It would scramble the picture if you tried copying it, it required special equipment and a lot of know how to get around it.

Re:Nothing new here.. (3, Informative)

jandrese (485) | more than 4 years ago | (#30725650)

Macrovision? It required special equipment, but that equipment wasn't terribly expensive or difficult to find. The biggest advantage to Disney is that because VHS tapes wear out with repeated viewings and because kids love to watch the same movies over and over again, they had a built-in audience of parents that would need to repurchase the movies at regular intervals. They didn't have to worry about people dubbing the tape and then redubbing it whenever the copy wore out.

It never really slowed down pirates though, just honest people.

Re:Nothing new here.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30726230)

[i]Macrovision? It required special equipment[/i]
It was called MacroScrubber
The same people now own InstallShield.

Re:Nothing new here.. (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30725768)

Or just an old enough video recorder.

I had an old recorder and copied Disney Movies without a problem. The problem arouse when we tried to copy my copy on another set of vcrs. The copy protection was still there on the copy.

The vcr copy protection required the target vcr to support copy protection.

Re:Nothing new here.. (4, Insightful)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 4 years ago | (#30726120)

From TFA:

In the case of the Disney approach, existing standards will be used to make the system work. But in the case of DECE, both content and devices will need to implement a new format standard created by DECE.

There lies the rub: Few want to replace all their gear just for a new DRM. I think Disne's seems the least unreasonable. If they eschewed DRM entirely, that would be reasonable, since DRM itself encourages piracy by making the legit data hard to work with and the pirate content easy.

IMO we're in a world wide recession because the Ferengis who run things aren't very reasonable, nor smart. If they'd stop worrying about pirates they'd sell more "content" and make more money.

Aliens vs. Predator... (5, Insightful)

fuzzyfuzzyfungus (1223518) | more than 4 years ago | (#30725526)

"Whoever wins, we lose."

Re:Aliens vs. Predator... (4, Insightful)

sakdoctor (1087155) | more than 4 years ago | (#30725622)

After the epic battle between HD DVD and Blu-ray, I bought an up-scaling DVD player with USB mass storage/Xvid support.

HD DVD and Blu-ray are the new betamax.

Re:Aliens vs. Predator... (3, Insightful)

A Friendly Troll (1017492) | more than 4 years ago | (#30725872)

HD DVD and Blu-ray are the new betamax.

I hope not, because I would really, really like data backup on discs, not disks.

I don't care about HD-DVD and Blu Ray as such, but the thing I resent Sony the most is that they've more or less prevented us from having "HD" burners in our computers already. If both formats were still alive, I think we'd be happily burning our data to 25-33 GB $2 discs on $50 burners today... As it is, they cost five times as much.

I like blu-ray but I like movie on the laptop more (1)

Fastfwd (44389) | more than 4 years ago | (#30726070)

I bought the clone wars season 1 set last week. Price was the same for DVD or blu-ray and I do have a blu-ray player in the PS3. I still ended up getting the DVD because I want to be able to move them to the PSP so my kid can watch them in the car.

I don't want to copy, just to use fairly (2, Informative)

Fastfwd (44389) | more than 4 years ago | (#30726050)

I really don't mind paying for my movies, tv shows and music. I do regret that such a big part goes to the studio vs musicians but that's the way it is in every industry.

What I do mind is not being able to use what I have as I should.

I want to be able to move recorded shows from my PVR to my laptop/ipod/psp/whatever

I want to par a reasonable price for rent vs buy and cheaper for the electronic compressed version. Why would I pay 20$ for a compressed movie when I can get a DVD for often half that price and the DVD will be easy to rip to PSP so my kid can watch it in the car?

Re:Aliens vs. Predator... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30726146)

Actually, whoever wins, we still ignore.

And the winner is... (2, Interesting)

Pointy_Hair (133077) | more than 4 years ago | (#30725534)

What side is the pr0n industry on?

Re:And the winner is... (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30725684)

It is a myth that VHS won over Betamax because of the porn industry. If that were true, then HD-DVD should have beaten Blu-ray. The reason VHS won was 1) less restrictive license, and 2) it could record more an one hour of programming, meaning you could record movies and ball games. The one hour limit was Beta's main downfall.

Re:And the winner is... (1)

Verdatum (1257828) | more than 4 years ago | (#30726200)

It is a myth that VHS won over Betamax because of the porn industry.

No way this could be true. I'm pretty sure if it was a myth, then this would have been confirmed by now on Mythbusters.

Re:And the winner is... (3, Informative)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 4 years ago | (#30725992)

The internet streaming side without DRM, I would imagine. They make their money from repeat customers and, unlike hollywood, seems to have worked out that the value that they provide is creating new content.

Free my media!!!!!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30725536)

I dont want to log into check if i'm on the list.... No thanks.

Give me the damn data files... and let me do as I please.... OR ELSE... I will get that data from "other sources"

Betamax vs. VHS (0)

PhrostyMcByte (589271) | more than 4 years ago | (#30725538)

Were either Betamax or VHS a standard? When I saw "standards wars", I thought of ODF vs OOXML.

Re:Betamax vs. VHS (1)

hedwards (940851) | more than 4 years ago | (#30725570)

Well, when's the last time you saw a new movie come out on Betamax? I think the answer to that is the answer you're looking for.

Re:Betamax vs. VHS (1)

daveime (1253762) | more than 4 years ago | (#30726358)

When was the last time you saw a new movie on VHS ?

1990 called, they want their Analogue Tape Formats back. And that Sony Walkman you've got stuffed in your back pocket.

Re:Betamax vs. VHS (1)

ShadowRangerRIT (1301549) | more than 4 years ago | (#30725590)

Even if not codified, there are de facto standards. If the hardware and media are made by multiple manufacturers, there have to be. Even if it's just licensing a spec from the IP owner.

Re:Betamax vs. VHS (2, Insightful)

Sockatume (732728) | more than 4 years ago | (#30725630)

Formats lead to acceptance. Acceptance leads to dominance. Dominance leads to a de facto standard. De facto standards lead to the dark side.

Re:Betamax vs. VHS (1)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 4 years ago | (#30725846)

Formats lead to acceptance. Acceptance leads to dominance. Dominance leads to a de facto standard. De facto standards lead to the dark side.

(Walt Disney to Steve Jobs) (Darth Vader Voice)

"Steve, I am your father ... "

We vote with our wallets (3, Insightful)

c0d3g33k (102699) | more than 4 years ago | (#30725578)

As with the Betamax/VHS formats, Circuit City's DivX and HD-DVD/Blu-Ray, the ace up the sleeve is that people always have the choice not to buy. If people don't want a format or technology, nothing the studios or content providers do will get them what they want (our money). They never seem to factor that in to their plans.

Let them fight (1)

sznupi (719324) | more than 4 years ago | (#30725580)

The more resources they waste on such posturing instead of modifying their obsolete rules of operation, the more they will have to squeeze consumers to remain afloat; also laws lobbied being more ridiculous. The more attractive alternatives will become.

Makes the probability of Big Media bubble bursting slightly more likely...

Slave to the server (4, Interesting)

Animats (122034) | more than 4 years ago | (#30725582)

Another "slave to the server" DRM scheme. Those have a finite lifetime.

What's the longest-lived "slaved to a server" DRM scheme? Has any such scheme been working for ten years? iTunes may be the oldest, but they didn't support video until 2005, and they've been moving away from DRM on audio.

Think of what al-Queda could do with the signing key for Windows Update.

Re:Slave to the server (1)

maxume (22995) | more than 4 years ago | (#30725890)

In your last paragraph, do you mean to imply that people running Windows are forced to trust Microsoft?

Re:Slave to the server (1)

Verteiron (224042) | more than 4 years ago | (#30725896)

Steam's been around since 2003. That's the longest-lived one I can think of.

Re:Slave to the server (1)

mhajicek (1582795) | more than 4 years ago | (#30725996)

You can play single player Steam games offline so long as you run Steam in offline mode.

Re:Slave to the server (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30726048)

... and still as draconian as it was day 1.

Re:Slave to the server (0, Offtopic)

BitZtream (692029) | more than 4 years ago | (#30726056)

Firefox on Linux drags along at a speed slow enough for you to think someone is intentionally sabotaging it.

Resign code the distribute to themselves?

There are several layers of protection in Windows Update, multiple SSL certificates have to be validated. Any of which can be revoked at a moments notice, and since you have to be online to update, you know a CRL check is going to work.

Contrary to popular belief, some people at MS do have a clue.

Re:Slave to the server (1)

JoshuaZ (1134087) | more than 4 years ago | (#30726260)

Slaves to the server aren't intrinsically bad. The problem is that so far there's been no for form of guarantee that they won't eventually die. And in fact, they frequently do die. There are solutions to this. For example, one could have the servers managed by government agency. One would pay a surcharge when one buys the product that would go to keeping those servers around. They'd be kept indefinitely or for some very long time period. There are problems with this sort of scheme, but it isn't the only option. The upshot is that this sort of DRM can be implemented in an acceptable fashion. It's just that no one has done so.

DRM's added value actually appears (4, Insightful)

Sockatume (732728) | more than 4 years ago | (#30725588)

They've got some cheek, acting like letting us view the same content on multiple devices is an amazing new revolution. We could do that before DRM, and it would've been easy for them to manage DRM such that people could grab more authorised, licenced copies in different formats. That's the whole point of having a licence instead of a physical product.

Re:DRM's added value actually appears (1)

AaronMK (1375465) | more than 4 years ago | (#30726364)

"They've got some cheek, acting like letting us view the same content on multiple devices is an amazing new revolution. We could do that before DRM, and it would've been easy for them to manage DRM such that people could grab more authorised, licenced copies in different formats.

Very much agreed!!

"That's the whole point of having a licence instead of a physical product."

License has a very different implication from a physical product, or purchase. If anything, licensing is a work around that allows companies to deny you rights you would otherwise have if you really purchased. If content providers were required by law to treat permanent content acquisition as a purchase, and were forbidden from using technology to prevent you from exercising rights you have as a purchaser, such as making copies for personal use, we might already have a DRM system like the one you suggested.

The only good new here (2, Insightful)

Nerdfest (867930) | more than 4 years ago | (#30725620)

The only good news here is that is actually possible for both of them to lose ... if consumers don't buy into either scheme.

Infancy of civilization (1)

Singularity42 (1658297) | more than 4 years ago | (#30725666)

Intellectual property, with its artificial scarcity, seems like an indicator of an immature civilization. Perhaps the singularity will happen before it gets sorted out.

The TRUE standards war... (5, Insightful)

jjoelc (1589361) | more than 4 years ago | (#30725670)

True standards will only be set by the end users. If nobody buys it, is it a standard?

If there are 1000 Xvid copies around for every BD copy sold... which one is the standard?

whatcouldpossiblygowrong (3, Insightful)

genican1 (1150855) | more than 4 years ago | (#30725676)

Ftfa:

In the face of this reality, the industry has come up with a pretty practical solution: pay once for a video, and the seller will track your ownership for you, and make that information available to anyone who hosts the same content anywhere.

Wrong "two sides" (5, Insightful)

QuietLagoon (813062) | more than 4 years ago | (#30725678)

The two real sides in the battle at those who are in favor of DRM in any shape or form; and those consumers who want to own and control the content they purchase.

If you RTFA, the two "sides" in that article are really on the same side, that is, the side of removing the consumers' rights for the content the consumers purchase.

What doe it matter (1)

crsuperman34 (1599537) | more than 4 years ago | (#30725686)

Why does DRM even matter? Whatever they come up with will be cracked in less than a week.

Re:What doe it matter (1)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 4 years ago | (#30726350)

It matters to the "content providers" because they've been hoodwinked into thinking DRM could actually work.

cue ads (1)

ncohafmuta (577957) | more than 4 years ago | (#30725688)

If you're in a hotel, say, and want to watch a video you've already purchased, the video service provider for that hotel can just check your record to see if you've already purchased it, instantaneously and invisibly.

cue hotel ads tailored to a trolling of my entire purchase history. uh, no thanx.

Apple?? (1)

Starcom8826 (888459) | more than 4 years ago | (#30725696)

That's where the standards war, or in this case, a variation on the theme comes up. In one camp, we see a several years old alliance called the Digital Entertainment Content Ecosystem, or DECE, which includes five out of six of the major movie studies (Warner Brothers, Paramount, NBC Universal, Sony and Fox), together with an impressive array of players in almost all of the affected sectors: software and hardware companies (e.g., Microsoft, Intel and Cisco), consumer electronics vendors (Sony, also a content owner), mobile device vendors (like Motorola and Apple, cable companies (including Comcast, Cox Communications and Liberty Global) and video and player distributors (e.g., Netflix, and Best Buy)....
And in the other camp? Well, to start with, there is the remaining major studio: Disney. And then there's, well, maybe nobody. But everyone's expectation is that Disney's partner in combat is Apple, which has not joined the other group. Apple, incidentally, remains Disney's largest single shareholder, as a result of the sale of Pixar to Disney (Amazon is also notable by its absence from the DECE member roster). According to one report, the Disney plan may rely on an Apple approach called MobileMe. Disney also made an announcement last week at CES, saying that it would take KeyChest live before the end of the year, and would announce other participating companies shortly.

Could have used a better example in the first block...

KeyChest isn't "DRM", at least on the file level (5, Informative)

MBCook (132727) | more than 4 years ago | (#30725714)

KeyChest isn't really DRM, it's a central repository for purchase information of DRMed files.

The idea is that companies opt into it, and then every device knows what you own. So when you go download Finding Nemo off iTunes, you can suddenly watch it on your cable box from the cable company, because they are both members of KeyChest and both know that you have a license to that media.

Basically, it solves the "tied to one format" problem. Each file still needs a "real" DRM format, the KeyChest just serves as a central clearing house of what licenses you have.

This would fix one of the MAJOR problems with DRM. It's still DRM, but it would be better than what we have now.

There was a short article on this somewhere (Gizmodo, Engadget, Ars Technica, somewhere) last week. I can't find it right now.

Re:KeyChest isn't "DRM", at least on the file leve (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30725998)

So you are saying it will play for sure.

Re:KeyChest isn't "DRM", at least on the file leve (1)

dwiget001 (1073738) | more than 4 years ago | (#30726102)

Oh, no privacy issues here, nosirree.

Private companies (and government agencies) already have way too much private information on way too many people, IMHO.

I wish them all good luck in completely destroying their business. Hats off to them!

Re:KeyChest isn't "DRM", at least on the file leve (2, Insightful)

darthnoodles (831210) | more than 4 years ago | (#30726178)

And all of this means that NOBODY will support it. There is no way that the cable company, or iTunes will show you a movie for free because you purchased a copy from Best Buy or something and registered the key when you brought it home.

Except fo Course... (4, Interesting)

IBitOBear (410965) | more than 4 years ago | (#30726272)

You _aren't_ going to get a key for "The White Album" you are going to get a key for "the 2011 release of 'The White Album" in MP3 format from Sony Interactive for use on sPlayer #xxxxxxx" simply because they _can_ be that specific and they _don't_ want to sell anything once that they can sell a million times.

DRM == RENT, and illegal prior restraint, and a scheme that can never actually work because it is a system that violates every principle of both software engineering and cryptography. No matter how you slice it, DRM is a stupid waste of leptons, time, and money. It is a system based on a complete lack of modularity and locality.

DRM is a classic case of "who will watch the watchers?" and not just at the corporate and financial and cultural levels. As a simple exercise in software engineering DRM must fail. It is a system that must be part of every element of a system (which is the failure of locality and modularity etc) to the degree that you need to have DRM policing the DRM system.

DRM is the Perpetual Motion of Software. People keep inventing new versions of it that don't quite work because no version of it can _ever_ deliver what is promised. Companies keep buying into the hype because they are blinded by "the potential". The only difference is that we are all being forced to buy these perpetual motion machines. Sure _this_ one has a battery in it, _that_ one has to be hooked up to the electrical mains. Some other one needs a waterwheel or a solar panel, and they will all tear off an arm or crush your child if you aren't careful... but we are _almost_ there... just one more scheme and we'll have it right...

The whole thing is a tax, levied by the stupid, paid by the sheep, and ready to break businesses when, I don't know, say Microsoft (or whomever) forgets to update a certificate (or whatever) before it expires (or whatever).

Where the heck do I find the Opt-Out?

Re:KeyChest isn't "DRM", at least on the file leve (1)

Drummergeek0 (1513771) | more than 4 years ago | (#30726278)

Except it allows users to be charged multiple times for the same content. You buy the movie from one place. Then on every other device that you try to watch it on that does not have the downloaded file, they charge you a service fee to access your content and stream it to that device (XBox 360 with Netflix comes to mind).

The only way to distribute videos online is DRM free. Yes it will be pirated just like music, but most people will pay for their content and sales will skyrocket due to the new method of distribution. The people who don't want to pay for movies will crack the DRM and share it anyway. Studios will rake in the money due to minimal cost of hosting and no physical medium. This will also create new avenues for companies to host your purchases for streaming reasons, or preconfigured and expandable home servers with STBs that handle the download and storage of your movies. Seems a little like a no-brainer to me.

Re:KeyChest isn't "DRM", at least on the file leve (2, Insightful)

mcgrew (92797) | more than 4 years ago | (#30726282)

This would fix one of the MAJOR problems with DRM. It's still DRM, but it would be better than what we have now.

CSS is DRM, but my DVDs will play no matter if I have an internet connection or not. If DVDs needed an internet connection, you wouldn't be able to watch them from a plane, train, or even a car most of the time. As it is you can take your laptop to the park and watch a movie sitting under a shade tree. With this stupid sceme you won't be able to.

Just look at the drug industry (1)

orim (583920) | more than 4 years ago | (#30726396)

Have we learned nothing from them? If this DRM plan goes through, the companies will obsolete media just as fast as the drug companies obsolete drugs that are about to lose their patent. (They remix the formula slightly, and take another patent out).

So basically, that copy of Blade Runner you bought 3 years ago? The Director's cut plus? Well, that was then, now we have a completely new product, Director's cut plus enhanced, with a never before seen napkin drawing of Roy Batty's potential haircuts that never made it into the movie. So yeah, we don't carry the old one any more, but if you want the plus enhanced, that'll be another $19.99 please.

Don't for a second think these a-holes are doing anything for YOU, the consumer. Just like the insurance industry doesn't give a shit about giving you actual medical care, these people don't care about giving you anything - it's all about their profits... perpetual and guaranteed.

Re:KeyChest isn't "DRM", at least on the file leve (2, Insightful)

QuantumRiff (120817) | more than 4 years ago | (#30726404)

I can't wait to register every device I own with one central authority.. Especially registering all the ones that connect to the internet!.. Bye bye freedom of speech, and anonymous cowards...

Meh. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30725736)

I really don't understand this obsession with "rights management". The bottom line is that "free" media will always be easier and more convenient to work with than "restricted" media. Also, media will always be made available via "alternative" methods; in the worst case scenario the analog hole will always exist. The world would be a better place if these people could just realize these facts. Instead of wasting time, money, and resources on all of this "rights management" cruft in a vain effort to get more people to pony up, they should look at offering additional services specifically targeted at those people. Maybe they won't make as much money, but some money is better than no money. As time has proven again and again, these restrictions only inconvenience legitimate customers. You can't please everybody, so infringement will always occur; my feeling is that you have to do the best you can to reach everybody, and after that infringement is just part of the cost of doing business.

Re:Meh. (1)

ncohafmuta (577957) | more than 4 years ago | (#30725910)

but some money is better than no money.

not to them. anybody who is only making $1 when they could be making $2 is just not sticking it up the consumer's ass hard enough.
with the transition from CDs to digital, they lost a huge portion of their profits.
when greed and regulation is the primary driving force, consumer services will always take a back seat, and you'll never get anything close to a sane delivery/efficient system.

after that infringement is just part of the cost of doing business.

sane people make the same argument for things like, people dieing in airplane crashes, freak fork accidents, etc..
now try telling the government that, and they say "oh no no, 2 people died because of blah blah, we have to fix this. too much regulation? oh no no, not at all, can't put a price on your safety."
now replace government with the recording industry. "lose $1 in profit because 13 y.o. timmy downloaded our song illegally? oh no no, we have to fix this. we want to fine him a gazillion dollars and propose a jail sentence of 262.5 years."

-Tony

Who Won the HD DVD War? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30725744)

Toshiba's HD DVD format obviously didn't win, but then it doesn't really seem like Sony's Blu-Ray did either. Plain old DVD still seems to be kicking Blu-Ray's ass, the DVDs on store shelves dominate the pathetic space where you can find overpriced Blu-Ray disks, Netflix is still geared toward DVD, etc. Nobody that cares even the slightest bit about DRM goes anywhere near Blu-Ray. So what's the deal? Is DVD going to to disappear or will Blu-Ray be like an ostracized guy in a suit at a rave indefinitely?

Re:Who Won the HD DVD War? (1)

toastar (573882) | more than 4 years ago | (#30726128)

People still get movies in the mail from netflix, I thought they had all switched to getting it through the tubes.

Really, All content should come over the wire, be saved to a hard drive and then be watched on demand wherever you are. I want something like Tivo/Slingbox with itunes like market so i can buy movies and download to the device. and then watch them anywhere i happen to be.

Re:Who Won the HD DVD War? (1)

Vanderhoth (1582661) | more than 4 years ago | (#30726138)

IMHO, Historically it seems every few decades the movie industry changes media in order to force consumers to re-buy old movies to play in new machines. My wife has pretty much the entire animated Disney collection from before 2004 on VHS. A lot of good they do us seeing as we no longer own a working VCR. If we want our kids to see these movies we'll have to re-buy them on the popular format of the day when our kids are old enough to watch them. My wife started to re-buy some on the movies on DVD, but I told her to stop because of the imminent change in format. The VHS tapes might be worth something some day to collectors.

This type of thing is what turns me off of buying movies. What I buy today will be no good tomorrow. That being said, the difference in quality between Blu-Ray movies and VHS tapes is considerable, I just wish there was a way that when you buy a movie you could automatically get the upgraded content when it gets "re-released" in a new format.

As for the "serve movies from a central server" idea. What will happen in 30 years? Will they still allow me to watch a movie I bought in 2010? Will there be limitations to how often or how many times I can watch a movie I've purchased? I think the central server idea will become more of a convenient pay-per-view service where you can quickly access favorite movies that you "own".

Re:Who Won the HD DVD War? (3, Interesting)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 4 years ago | (#30726148)

I just checked the place I rent DVDs from. They currently have:
  • 60,848 DVDs
  • 1,732 Blu-ray discs
  • 239 HD DVDs
  • 2,839 streaming titles

Now, these numbers are slightly skewed by the fact that seasons of TV shows count as single DVD or BluRay titles but each episode counts as a separate streaming title, but it's more interesting when I look at the numbers added in the last three months:

  • DVD: 935
  • Blu-ray: 179
  • Streaming: 617

They're still adding a lot of new DVD titles. That's still where their money is. I don't have a BD player and I watch things on a projector that only does 800x600. The streaming titles look a bit worse than DVDs, but not much. Things I stream from iPlayer are very close to DVD quality now, and I'm not even watching the 720p streams. By the time I replace my projector, in a couple of years, iPlayer will probably have increased the 720p streams to 1080p. There doesn't seem much attraction in renting BD over streaming.

If you buy films then it might make sense, but I rarely watch films more than a couple of times, and I'd rather watch a new film than re-watch an old one. I have a library of around 100 DVDs that I almost never watch. I can rent more than a dozen DVDs over the course of a month for less than the cost of buying one BD, so there's no incentive to buy.

A standard war (2, Insightful)

Wowsers (1151731) | more than 4 years ago | (#30725748)

Look, what happened between Betamax and VHS is well know, Sony were full of themselves with their better format, and didn't want to license it to anyone whereas VHS was licensed to anyone that wanted to build that platform.

But since then it's been easier to figure out which format will win. It's not which is technically better for consumers (ie. less / no DRM), but which company has the biggest pocket to give the biggest backhanders. Follow the money.

Not helpful! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30725774)

They keep talking about how "helpful" their new DRM will be, how it'll be ubiquitous, etc.

Format wars are never helpful. What happened to people who bought $600 HD-DVD players, and multiple HD-DVDs? Do they keep their obsolete player next to their blu-ray so they can watch 8 movies? Do they throw away the whole investment and get new blu-ray ones?

I stayed out of that format war until it was 'won.' I may have an eyepatch that helped me with that. And I think I'll be staying out of THIS one permanently, especially since it's against the oh-so-broken copyright law (unless there's some way to promise that content will always be activate-able for infinity, which there isn't.)

Good on ya, Apple (5, Insightful)

argent (18001) | more than 4 years ago | (#30725776)

With the multiyear HD DVD Blu-ray battle still a recent memory, we have a new standards face off in video, just as we do in eBooks, and just as it looks like we may in on-line print, where a new consortium led by the News Corporation and others is launching a standards-based "digital newsstand." All of these devices, of course, are targeted at you and I, and each has the potential to not only extend the woes of the music/video/print vendors behind these standards battles, but to waste your money and mine as well.

Does that strike you as a shame?

Hell no. The last thing we need is easy to use, standardized DRM. Apple derailed Microsoft's attempt to make Plays for Sure the boot stamping in the face of the music lover, forever, by making sure NOBODY won the music DRM wars. It looks like they're up to their loveable tricks again, and I salute them for it. A fragmented, hard to use, unreliable DRM ecosystem is to the consumer's benefit in the long term.

It'll be an interesting one, for sure (1)

Monkeedude1212 (1560403) | more than 4 years ago | (#30725780)

The difference between this format war and the last one is that Blu Ray, while picking up speed - is not quite at the same point DVD's were when Blu Ray/HD DVD were introduced. Albeit, everyone still had a VCR and their VHSs. And people still DO have their VCR and VHSs. However now most movie collections consist of DVD's, unless you just started your movie collection a few years ago.

Some people don't even have a Blu Ray Player - let alone a sizable Blu Ray collection.

So what happens when this new form of content hosting becomes available? Do people with Blu Rays and their players get left out in the cold? Did the straglers manage to skip a step?

All I'm saying is - we're JUST NOW getting Blu Ray to really take off, I find it very unlikely that enough people are going to want to adopt a new format so soon.

And there are alot of issues since both of these would require an internet connection to fully function. The internet may now become a common household item - but not everyone's is fast enough for you to download an HD Movie by the time the popcorn is ready - I see Blu Ray still holding some advantages over content hosting.

Much Ado about nothing (4, Informative)

quo_vadis (889902) | more than 4 years ago | (#30725782)

The TFA talks about the war between Digital Entertainment Content Ecosystem (DECE) from 6 of the big movie studios versus Keychest from Disney. But the important this is that Keychest is not DRM [engadget.com]. As the name implies its a Key management service, proposed by Disney. It needs DRM such as DECE or Apple's Protected AAC stuff to work. The TFA's author doesnt seem to grasp the basic difference.

Re:Much Ado about nothing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30726112)

The TFA's author doesnt seem to grasp the basic difference.

I bet he does ;)

didn't Disney join DECE? (0, Redundant)

alen (225700) | more than 4 years ago | (#30725802)

i thought i read something this weekend on engadget that Disney is joining DECE and calling it Keychest or something like that

Apple, everyone knows they live in their own world

DRM is not the solution (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30725808)

Just lower your prices, it's really that simple. A movie should cost from $1-5. The whole industry needs to take a massive pay cut as well. If they don't I will continue to take what I want for free. So will many others.

This isn't a difficult decision (3, Interesting)

roc97007 (608802) | more than 4 years ago | (#30725818)

Ok, I read TFE, and it seems to me that for consumers (which is what I personally am concerned about) there's a clear choice -- buy content (if reasonably priced) from Warner Brothers, Paramount, NBC Universal, Sony and Fox, and torrent content from Disney. What standards war?

Of course, if both solutions are confining and/or expensive, neither will be adopted en-masse. For the first time, consumers have a third choice -- free -- and to compete with that, content providers will have to provide something that benefits consumers instead of annoying them. I wonder if the content providers get this yet.

Tried to buy toy story 2. Could not. (1)

Fastfwd (44389) | more than 4 years ago | (#30726126)

So I was at toys r us and wanted to get toy story 2(pixar/disney) and was surprised that it was not there since they had a pretty amazing selection of movies for kids. The employee told me they actually never had it and expect it may come out as a boxed set with #3 eventually. Until then I simply CANNOT buy it.

Did a little research and it was on amazon but the price is completely unrelated to other movies that are that old. Torrents are looking really tempting now.

Re:Tried to buy toy story 2. Could not. (1)

roc97007 (608802) | more than 4 years ago | (#30726368)

That's kind of a different issue. Disney has always ridgedly controlled access to their content, purposely making it difficult to get. They will release a title for a limited time, and then cease production no matter what the demand, usually to release it again years later. I don't completely understand why -- it seems to me that a sale is a sale -- but that's what they've chosen as a business model. I used to think that this came into being during the long dry period where Disney wasn't producing much that was worth watching, and they realized that they had to carefully milk 50 -- 70 year old content if they were going to survive long-term. But does that really apply since they bought Pixar?

It's true that Toy Story 2 is available on Amazon, but is listed as discontinued and is only available from resellers who happen to have stock.

I own a copy -- I bought the silver Toy Story 1/2 set a few years ago -- but I understand your point. There's no doubt that torrenting breaks the business model described above.

I think this is probably off-topic.

Re:This isn't a difficult decision (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30726390)

For the first time, consumers have a third choice -- free -- and to compete with that, content providers will have to provide something that benefits consumers instead of annoying them.

So, basically, you're saying that Windows is so good that it easily competes with OS X / Linux / Unix / Sun. I don't want to go into that war now, but we all know that Windows sucks and the world is full of it.

Good (0, Redundant)

whisper_jeff (680366) | more than 4 years ago | (#30725830)

Good. Let a war wage on the DRM battlefield. Any war over DRM is good for users, eventually. In time, companies will start to realize they're dumping millions and millions into a system that might not be an industry standard and, in the end, never, ever, ever works. At some point, someone within those companies will catch a hint and realize it's an utter waste of resources. The more battles that are waged by media companies over DRM, the more likely that lightbulb moment will happen sooner rather than later.

Clarification (3, Informative)

UnknowingFool (672806) | more than 4 years ago | (#30725862)

Apple, incidentally, remains Disney's largest single shareholder

Technically, Steve Jobs is the largest single shareholder of Disney. His shares come to about 7% of Disney. He is also a shareholder in Apple but I'm not sure what about how many shares he has.

The art of the possible. (4, Interesting)

jthill (303417) | more than 4 years ago | (#30725916)

All the major media companies except Disney and Apple are supporting a media-purchase-validation system that won't work unless your purchase is DRM'd. Disney and Apple are proposing one that works equally well with un-DRM'd media.

Jobs is at it again.

Bad Idea (1)

Stregano (1285764) | more than 4 years ago | (#30725964)

and when one of these falls through and needs to shut down its servers, then what happens to all of the movies that I just purchased?

As EA games has proven by turning off the Madden 09 servers, a big company can just up and decide to shut off certain servers.

Disney and the rental model may win (1)

alen (225700) | more than 4 years ago | (#30725966)

i peaked at 250 some DVDs before selling off my collection almost 10 years ago. got to the point where i would watch a lot of the movies only once or twice a year at most.

today with my 10 mbps cable internet ( i run speed tests and my cheapo time warner cable ranges 8 - 15 mbps depending on the time and day) and my 32GB iphone and laptops with 320GB hard drives i want to watch it anywhere and don't want to carry anything around and don't want to pay for things to own i may only watch or listen to once a year. i'd rather pay $20 a month and watch and listen to whatever i want when i want and where i want

Re:Disney and the rental model may win (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30726194)

Fine if one person at a time does it. When you grow up and have a family, you'll notice kids want to do their own thing. You want to watch some movie, the wife wants to watch some crap cooking show in the kitchen, one kid has a friend over and wants to watch a cartoon, while the other is doing online gaming. Are you going to spend $150/month for FiOS 50mbps?

Video what?? (1)

Hurricane78 (562437) | more than 4 years ago | (#30726066)

Do you mean like AVI vs MKV?
Or XviD vs x264?
Cause the latter ones are clearly winning. ^^

Sometimes I feel like I’m on a different planet than those media companies... And theirs is just about to go down in flames. ;)

Bowing Out of the Game (1)

ScientiaPotentiaEst (1635927) | more than 4 years ago | (#30726088)

No doubt I'm going to come across as a mixture of luddite and holier-than-thou. Nevertheless, here it is.

My wife and I quit playing their DRM "game" some time ago. We'll buy (non-DRM'd) CDs all the while they continue to exist - similarly with paper books. We don't buy DVDs, Blu Rays or anything else essentially un-copyable legally. In fact, we don't own a TV. We're not going near eBooks after the Amazon "1984" debacle (apology not accepted - it shows what they can and are willing to do with their DRM).

We do not choose to feed the DRM beast. While passive entertainment can be nice, it is very far from essential. We don't need any of their video product. Indeed, we don't need to listen to their music product. One can learn to play an instrument and be better for it. I'm trying to learn some piano. I'm not good, but it is a lot of fun.

With the books, it is a more serious matter. Many are essential for expansion of knowledge and capability. So unless we can buy any particular book in paper or unrestricted electronic form, we're not going near it.

As an aside, it's amusing to watch the reactions when people learn that we neither own nor watch TV. Incredulity and blank stares greet us. Some question what we do with our time (how sad is that?). Others start justifying their habits by saying that they only watch the Discovery channel (or some such), or they need TV to keep the kids quiet (sad again).

We find that it's much more entertaining to do, rather than to watch. There's so much interesting in the real world. It seems to us now that it's a shame not to engage in it - first hand.

MPEGLA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30726114)

Which side has MPEGLA trying to make money on? whichever side that is bet against it

As long as the studios sell atoms to the consumer- (3, Interesting)

Chris Tucker (302549) | more than 4 years ago | (#30726116)

-I.E., DVD/BluRay discs, any DRM is useless and will be subverted.

Encode the bits all the way to the monitor/TV display. It makes no difference. Someone, somewhere will figure out how to convince the data stream that it's driving an encryption compliant display, while in actuality, that now unencrypted data stream is being written to a hard drive as an H.264 video/audio file.

Even if eventually, everything comes from the cloud, the Chinese will be happy to sell you a greymarket flatscreen TV/Monitor with all the audio/video out ports you could ever want on the back of the display. All ready to plug into your computer.

Until then, ffmpeg and Handbrake/MacTheRipper are your archiving friends.

As for torrents, I look at the Internet as my own personal Digital Video Recorder that automatically edits out the commercials.

Oh, and lastly, I buy almost all my DVDs used. No point in paying the studios/networks/production companies that DRM their products.

Awesome! (4, Funny)

zmollusc (763634) | more than 4 years ago | (#30726172)

I can't wait for this. When I buy a bluray film I will then be able to download the film to my iPhone and my netbook. Well, I will if iTunes and whoever also stock the film. And, of course the downloads may well be heavily censored versions of the film because you can't expect them to stock everything. Oh, and there will be lots of targetted ads that i can't ffwd through pasted into the films. Oh, yeah, and the netbook will have to be trusted so cannot be using that evil linux operating system.

But that aside, yay, woo, I have my credit card ready.

Re:Awesome! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#30726284)

Oh, yeah, and the netbook will have to be trusted so cannot be using that evil linux operating system.

I know. I still can't play BluRay on my Amiga. WTF?

ARG! (1)

Interoperable (1651953) | more than 4 years ago | (#30726216)

Sorry about the title, but I get really frustrated when I hear about continued efforts to pursue DRM. I believe that producers of content should be able to protect their legal rights but DRM is simply flawed from the get-go. I know this has been said and re-said on /., but I'm going to point it out again: the one requirement for all DRM technology is that the legitimate buyer of the content must be able to watch/listen to/read it. The technology is irrelevant; if a buyer can view the content, it can be re-encoded.

I'll M my own DRs, thank you (2, Insightful)

chrysrobyn (106763) | more than 4 years ago | (#30726246)

I am perfectly capable of managing my own digital rights. I don't need someone else's server to handle it, mine does so just fine. Keep sending out encryption of the same caliber as DVDs and I'll keep supporting your industry. If you treat me like I can't be trusted, I can, will and do act like it.

Which plummeting sales? (2, Insightful)

JerryLove (1158461) | more than 4 years ago | (#30726314)

Instead, what's involved are two different approaches intended to help content vendors somehow survive in the face of plummeting revenues

2010 was a record year at the box office and (I believe) the video store. Where's the damage that they are attempting to mitigate?

DRM just seems like a way to force me to rebuy what I already own 10 years from now.

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