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Southwest Declares Kevin Smith Too Fat To Fly

timothy posted more than 4 years ago | from the operable-armrest-should-be-the-practical-test dept.

It's funny.  Laugh. 940

theodp writes "Kevin Smith is not a happy Southwest customer. The director was thrown off a flight from Oakland to Burbank, after being deemed too fat to fly. He later wound up on another Southwest flight, but has declared It's On and taken his rants to Twitter. 'Dear @SouthwestAir — I know I'm fat, but was Captain Leysath really justified in throwing me off a flight for which I was already seated?' he began. He also let the airline know he'd made it to his destination. 'Hey @SouthwestAir! I've landed in Burbank. Don't worry: wall of the plane was opened & I was airlifted out while Richard Simmons supervised.'"

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That's what you get (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31136238)

for being a fat ugly bastard

Re:That's what you get (5, Funny)

PizzaAnalogyGuy (1684610) | more than 4 years ago | (#31136260)

Hello Mr. Dear Anonymous Coward,

Your words disgust me. Not only because they are not true, but some people just have big bones.

All the best,
Me

Not too fat... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31136242)

...to get first post!

Re:Not too fat... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31136452)

FAIL

Before the dust settles (5, Funny)

Vinegar Joe (998110) | more than 4 years ago | (#31136244)

I'll bet Southwest will wish he really was Silent Bob.

Re:Before the dust settles (5, Informative)

jra (5600) | more than 4 years ago | (#31136540)

Perhaps.

Here's their blog response: http://www.blogsouthwest.com/blog/not-so-silent-bob

Fat... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31136250)

...and overrated.

Welp, that's it (2, Insightful)

gruvmeister (1259380) | more than 4 years ago | (#31136252)

There goes the last shred of credibility Twitter may have had. Fatties are now using it to vent rage over how cruel the world is for discriminating against them for being fat.

Maybe if he directed some of that rage into jogging or not stuffing twinkies into his maw it wouldn't be a problem.

Re:Welp, that's it (3, Insightful)

shentino (1139071) | more than 4 years ago | (#31136264)

If he was really too fat to fly they never should have sold him a ticket.

And they'd better damn well have given him a full refund or a free transfer or it's fraud.

Re:Welp, that's it (5, Insightful)

phantomfive (622387) | more than 4 years ago | (#31136318)

They put him on the next flight and gave him a $100 voucher. Didn't seem to make him feel better, and I can't say I would feel better either, but about your point

If he was really too fat to fly they never should have sold him a ticket.

how exactly is the airline supposed to know he is too fat when they sell the ticket? Most airlines sell their tickets online without ever seeing the person.

Re:Welp, that's it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31136376)

It goes back to the concept of caveat vendor, which translates to the common phrase "seller beware". It's like caveat emptor ("buyer beware"), but when the seller is the one who needs to show caution when entering into a sale.

Re:Welp, that's it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31136486)

Nice try - learn latin first. What you are talking about is caveat venditor

Re:Welp, that's it (1)

TooMuchToDo (882796) | more than 4 years ago | (#31136408)

Ask you online. Confirmation is easily done via a scale at the checkin kiosk or at boarding to know if you're lying. While it might be embarrassing if you're large person, how much you weigh is directly tied to how much fuel the plane burns and the weight and balance of the aircraft.

Re:Welp, that's it (2, Insightful)

PolygamousRanchKid (1290638) | more than 4 years ago | (#31136498)

how exactly is the airline supposed to know he is too fat when they sell the ticket? Most airlines sell their tickets online without ever seeing the person.

Well, I'm no fan of sitting next to fatties either, but maybe they should have decided *before* they let him board the plane?

Like, when I was a kid at amusement parks, they had signs, "you must be this tall to get on this ride."

Why don't they have similar constructions at airports that say, "you must be skinny enough to fit through this to get on this plane" . . . ?

That would save everyone some grief later on.

Re:Welp, that's it (3, Interesting)

Hatta (162192) | more than 4 years ago | (#31136328)

If he was really too fat to fly they never should have sold him a ticket.

I understand the sentiment, but how would you implement that? Are you going to make people weigh in before they can buy a ticket? Going to rely on self reporting?

Re:Welp, that's it (5, Insightful)

asdf7890 (1518587) | more than 4 years ago | (#31136490)

If he was really too fat to fly they never should have sold him a ticket.

I understand the sentiment, but how would you implement that? Are you going to make people weigh in before they can buy a ticket? Going to rely on self reporting?

I've always thought that people should be counted in the weight allowance instead of just luggage. A bit porky like me? You get to bring less stuff (or pay more for the same stuff). Properly obese? You get even less. That and people who are for too large to fit in a single seat (with people to their sides being comfortable too) should be made to purchase the double seat they need.

Of course there are logistical complications to this. Firstly there is weight distribution between the passenger cabin and luggage hold which may affect the handling of the craft if most of the passengers are porkies with little luggage. And there is the issue of defining what constitutes too big for one seat. And finally there will be the people who cry like babies and moan that "it isn't my fault" - well it might not be (in which case get a medical cert and we'll consider some extra compassion) but it isn't the airline's fault either and it certainly isn't the fault of the other passengers who get less space between them because of your lardy presence. Another complication is what to do at the other end of the scale - it would be important not to encourage the "a stick of celery and half a tomato is more than enough for lunch" mob so there would need to be lower limit on the luggage gains (perhaps the weight distribution issue would be a legitimate reason for imposing this lower limit).

FYI: I'm a chunk overweight myself and not exactly getting any less so as time passes, and I would have no problem with getting a lower luggage allowance than someone of more healthy proportions. It seems quite fair to me: I want you to transport X kilograms of stuff from here to there which will use up Y amount of fuel, it just so happens that Z% of that mass is me and the heavy boots I prefer to wear. What's that? Xkg is over the total allowance and I'll have to pay a fee for the extra? Fair enough.

Re:Welp, that's it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31136440)

Maybe he got a lot fatter between the time of ticket purchase and the day of the flight :)

Re:Welp, that's it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31136470)

How could they possibly have known he was too fat over the internet or the phone? Almost nobody buys a ticket in person.

Re:Welp, that's it (2, Insightful)

pipedwho (1174327) | more than 4 years ago | (#31136484)

If he was really too fat to fly they never should have sold him a ticket.

And they'd better damn well have given him a full refund or a free transfer or it's fraud.

Either that, or they should never have sold me a ticket when I failed to mention I have a chronic aversion to sitting next to someone who overhangs their seat so far that I can't see my own lap.

And if they don't give me a full refund or transfer, then it's $RANDOM_LEGAL_TERM.

Just measure before boarding. (3, Funny)

formfeed (703859) | more than 4 years ago | (#31136506)

New rule: "If your butt doesn't fit in this box, you will have to go first class or buy two tickets."

Re:Welp, that's it (2, Interesting)

The Grim Reefer2 (1195989) | more than 4 years ago | (#31136562)

If he was really too fat to fly they never should have sold him a ticket.

And they'd better damn well have given him a full refund or a free transfer or it's fraud.

I understand where you are coming from as I have to fly frequently and am tired of everything that the airlines have taken away from their customers over the years. However I also find it annoying when I'm stuck sitting next to someone who clearly should be forced to purchased two seats for their fat ass. Why should I have to deal with their fat ass spilling over into my already cramped space? If they choose to be the size of two people I nor someone else that is stuck sitting next to them should have to suffer for it.

We also don't know the entire story. There may have been weight or weight balance issues. It's common on smaller planes to have to move people to the back of the plane for balance issues. Perhaps he didn't want to give up his first class seat (not that I fly Southwest so I don't know if they even have it) or just refused to move to the back of the plane. Perhaps the captain chose to boot one fat person rather than two normal sized people. That would make sense to me. This probably happens all of the time to regular people. I get tired of celebrities who get treated like everyone else and then use their status to make a big deal about it.

Re:Welp, that's it (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31136266)

Do you even know who this guy is? He isn't THAT big.

Re:Welp, that's it (1)

Servaas (1050156) | more than 4 years ago | (#31136384)

Last known picture i saw of him was on a piece about Apple at the latest Macworld (I think it was there, wired.com may be your friend). He didn't look that big to me neither but maybe when flying coach...

Re:Welp, that's it (0, Offtopic)

koan (80826) | more than 4 years ago | (#31136412)

Seen him lately? He is a fat slob.

Re:Welp, that's it (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31136434)

Do you even know who this guy is? He isn't THAT big.

Are you referring to his weight or his career?

Re:Welp, that's it (1)

east coast (590680) | more than 4 years ago | (#31136308)

I find it ironic that you're a subscriber and you're ranting against the same kind of activity on Slashdot that you condemn on Twitter.

Where does that leave you in the grand scheme of things?

Re:Welp, that's it (1)

iamhassi (659463) | more than 4 years ago | (#31136410)

" Fatties are now using it to vent rage over how cruel the world is for discriminating against them for being fat. "

Fat celebrities, not your regular jo' smuck. Besides Kevin's not that fat [exposay.com] , at least not compared to my notion of "too fat to fly" (see photo). [nydailynews.com]

I'm glad Kevin's getting the word out because apparently Southwest has a habit of kicking off big guys [consumerist.com] , and it's ironic Kevin twitted the "too fat to fly" diet because a UK couple, weighing 530 lbs combine, really did lose weight after being "too fat to fly" [dailymail.co.uk]

Re:Welp, that's it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31136622)

Besides Kevin's not that fat [exposay.com] .

He is fat. Have Americans forgotten what a normal weight is?

I have sat next to these guys. (3, Insightful)

sycodon (149926) | more than 4 years ago | (#31136254)

Even if they can get their butts between the armrests, the rest of them overflows into the next seat.

They should have required him to buy two seats, since he takes up two seats and twice the gas as a normal person.

Re:I have sat next to these guys. (5, Insightful)

jaymz666 (34050) | more than 4 years ago | (#31136296)

They should kick the people off who are jerks, to smell, too. Those are even more offensive

Re:I have sat next to these guys. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31136330)

On the other hand, being that obese could be considered a disability (by definition, it is). Do airlines charge people in wheelchairs for two seats?

Whatever the solution, it needs to be something measurable by the airline and passengers. Humiliating someone on a flight is unacceptable.

Re:I have sat next to these guys. (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31136392)

Yeah, except people in wheel chairs generally didn't choose to be in them. Fat people chose to become fat by overeating and underexercising.

No, it isn't genetic. Scientists have proven that, with the exception of EXTREMELY rare genetic diseases, the reason fat parents have fat children is because the children learn their poor exercise and diet habits.

Personal responsibility. Remember that? We should be encouraging it.

People with legitimate disabilities get special treatment because there's nothing they can do to suddenly be able to walk again. Fat people just need to lay off the donuts. It's not the same thing at all.

Personally, I think this is a great advertising campaign for Southwest Air. I'm glad to know that they're working to make sure that at least the part when you're on the plane will be as pleasant as possible. Next time I fly (if ever), I'll have to make sure I consider Southwest.

Re:I have sat next to these guys. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31136474)

Yeah, except people in wheel chairs generally didn't choose to be in them.
 
Except that's where you're wrong. What about the people too lazy to rehab? Or chose to ride without a seatbelt, were on the road at 2am, are the result of genetically-inferior parents who chose to have a child or couldn't offer an acceptable prenatal environment, lived too far from the hospital, elected to see a quack doctor who committed malpractice on them, decided to play football, etc? Scientists have proven that, with the exception of EXTREMELY rare mysteries, the reason crippled people are crippled traces back to some choice somewhere.

You're a fucking idiot, no wonder you posted AC.

Re:I have sat next to these guys. (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31136570)

What about the people too lazy to rehab? Or chose to ride without a seatbelt, were on the road at 2am, are the result of genetically-inferior parents who chose to have a child or couldn't offer an acceptable prenatal environment, lived too far from the hospital, elected to see a quack doctor who committed malpractice on them, decided to play football, etc?

Oh, please. Choose to overeat, you're guaranteed to gain weight and decrease your life expectancy. Choose to partake in an activity where there is a risk of being crippled, and - well, you haven't chosen to become crippled, you've just chosen to accept the risk. There's no way you should be penalized for life for being unlucky.

Fat people aren't unlucky. They've just made a choice to be fat.

Also, seriously, blaming a child who's born with a genetic illness as a choice of the parents? Really? Yeah, I'm sure the child chose to be born with a genetic illness.

You're a fucking idiot, no wonder you posted AC.

Right back at ya.

Re:I have sat next to these guys. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31136568)

I hear they refuse negroes as well, so you should fit right in.

Re:I have sat next to these guys. (1)

zippthorne (748122) | more than 4 years ago | (#31136502)

They do not. They do however charge a bunch to ship the wheelchair (since it's oversized checked baggage). Also, as you might have noted in the previous sentence: the wheelchair bound do not get to ride their own wheelchairs in the terminal.

But more importantly: it's a disability that requires more resources to accommodate. The very fat simply need an extra seat. Even if they only ooze over 10%, that means that I, the unlucky sod sitting next to the very fat, cannot use the armrest, have to have part of my body in contact with their creepy warm folds (I used to be thin enough to scrunch over, which although uncomfortable is preferable to the unwanted contact), and have to deal with the pit smell and their loud strained breathing.

I don't get 10% of my ticket back for the inconvenience, and am uncompensated for the experience as well. I like Kevin Smith's movies, but I wouldn't want to sit next to him on a plane.

Re:I have sat next to these guys. (2, Insightful)

IdleTime (561841) | more than 4 years ago | (#31136366)

Why is he angry?

It's all his own fault! Stop shoving worthless crap into your pie hole, start exercising. If you are fat enough for the airline to have an issue with you, it should tell you all you need to know. Haviung problems fitting your ass into a plane seat? You are too fat, start loosing weight.

Bottoom line, fat asses of the world, it is your own fault for allowing yourself to blow up like a balloon. Nobody was forcing you to eat the shit you have. Take some fucking responsibility for your own fat ass first!

Re:I have sat next to these guys. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31136394)

Hell yeah. You squeeze the bottom of the waterbag, where would the water go?

Beside the wobble factor adds risk of destabilizing the plane. Selfish fat asses.

Re:I have sat next to these guys. (5, Insightful)

Courageous (228506) | more than 4 years ago | (#31136454)

IIRC, airline regulations require that a passenger be in THEIR seat. If you're sitting next to a morbidly obese person, and they annoy you, just ask them to stay in their space. If they cannot, and it bothers you a lot, call a stewardess and explain that you understand your rights, and wish her to enforce them. At this point, the person who cannot remain in their seat will either be assigned a new one or forced to deplane. If you're fat, and upset by this--suck it up. You did not pay for the space the other passenger is in. THEY did.

C//

Re:I have sat next to these guys. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31136556)

No, no! Airplane regs require that a passenger he in *his* or *her* seat! If a singular passenger is in plural ("their") seats, well, I think we've spotted the problem.

See how a simple grammar problem has led to overcrowded flights and general unhappiness?

Case agreement leads to passenger agreement!

Re:I have sat next to these guys. (1)

Gr8Apes (679165) | more than 4 years ago | (#31136492)

How about they first put seats in that fit 90% of the population? Otherwise, perhaps this is a ploy to sell 2 seats to "normal" people.

I do not fit into most coach seats even though the armrests have never been a problem. Either the pitch is too narrow (row to row spacing) with knees hitting the seat in front or the seat itself made for 12 year olds because they're too narrow in the shoulders. It's annoying as hell.

Re:I have sat next to these guys. (1)

John Hasler (414242) | more than 4 years ago | (#31136560)

> How about they first put seats in that fit 90% of the population?

The seats have shrunk gradually over the years, with different airlines changing at different times. If 90% (or even 10%) of the population really cared they would have avoided the airlines with the smallest seats and thus forced them to change back. They didn't: they continued to choose the lowest price no matter what.

Fly first class. You'll have lots of room. What's that? It costs more? No shit!

Re:I have sat next to these guys. (2, Interesting)

Idiomatick (976696) | more than 4 years ago | (#31136576)

That would be taxing the healthy ... And planes are designed to fit the world's average ... Americans are just particularly fat... Ranging 10~30lbs fatter than other country's averages. It isn't subtle.

BTW! If you need a bigger seat I wouldn't suggest coach, it is meant to be cheap and not comfortable. If you feel your size isn't met then move up a class, I can guarantee you will find a seat that fits you. And YES, this is perfectly fair that you pay more for more space.

Re:I have sat next to these guys. (3, Interesting)

Idiomatick (976696) | more than 4 years ago | (#31136514)

Kevin smith is fat but he's not one of those huge guys... He looks to be around 235lbs. That is no where near some of the people that have gotten on the plane I'm sure.

Average weight is over 190 lbs (http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/healthcare/a/tallbutfat.htm). In places like Mississippi (1/3rd of the population is obese) it is likely near 220.

So throwing him off the plane seems pointed for whatever reason. Were he 350 or 400 then I'd get it.

I have translated it to KG (-1, Flamebait)

SmallFurryCreature (593017) | more than 4 years ago | (#31136596)

That is 106kg, that is FAT. Granted it is not inhuman and a really large man could be that weight and not be fat BUT this is about armrests not coming down. So it is fairly safe to presume we are NOT talking about 106kg of muscles here but 106kg's of stomach fat flopping all over the place.

And frankly, there is a point about air safety. Would you want to be stuck behind this guy on a burning aircraft?

And before all the fatties cry about how hard they got it, how many of you make life easier for people with real disabilities like blindness or being in a wheel chair?

Once you weight has reached triple digits (in KG), STOP EATING.

Re:I have sat next to these guys. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31136538)

Even if they can get their butts between the armrests, the rest of them overflows into the next seat.

They should have required him to buy two seats, since he takes up two seats and twice the gas as a normal person.

Seats are just plain too narrow. I'm not fat I'm big and have 24" shoulders. My shoulders overflow the seats and loosing weigh isn't the issue. I generally try for an aisle seat so I can lean out. Due to a flight cancelation I wound up in first class and it was like heaven. I didn't use any of the extra services but the extra room made it a comfortable flight for once. I hate to fly because of the tiny seats so I'm seriously considering first class for future flights. Why do I have to pay 3X as much because the seats are designed for children to save a buck? Give me a wider seat and more leg room and keep the frills and charge me 50% more.

And my 6 years old son takes 1/5th of the gas (2, Insightful)

melted (227442) | more than 4 years ago | (#31136544)

Yet airlines want me to pay a full fare. You can't have it both ways. If you're going to charge the fat folks extra, you gotta give the rest of us the price break on kids' tickets. Otherwise, just reduce the passenger density and charge everyone the same.

Re:And my 6 years old son takes 1/5th of the gas (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31136620)

Like with sandwich buns. They come in packs of 8, but I only want 6. I should get a discount. And those guys that want 10 buns shouldn't be charged extra. It's unfair that they have to buy a second pack!

I'm sorry, but almost everything in the world is sold in discrete increments. If you need more than one unit, you buy two. If you need less than one unit, you have extra. Sometimes that extra goes unused.

If you're that concerned, make sure to sit your child next to a fat guy. Then the fat guy can use up the extra space that your child isn't.

Re:I have sat next to these guys. (3, Insightful)

DeadboltX (751907) | more than 4 years ago | (#31136604)

This will take quite some time to take off.

Even when there are proper justifications for discrimination, the feel-gooders will still fight for the right for everyone to be treated equally, despite not being equal.

Is this really /. worthy? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31136268)

I once had my seat taken by an extremely obese person. He can buy two seats if he needs (or executive class). End of story. Move along. Nothing to see here.

LOL (0, Troll)

koan (80826) | more than 4 years ago | (#31136278)

The only question now is "Will you address your weight issues Kevin. or spend all your energies defending your self" I applaud the airline for kicking him off, and if you have ever sit next to a fatty you know how unpleasant it is.

Re:LOL (1)

0xdeadbeef (28836) | more than 4 years ago | (#31136450)

Yeah, you'd think he could afford two seats.

Re:LOL (1)

koan (80826) | more than 4 years ago | (#31136534)

Or a fitness coach and a dietician.

Re:LOL (0, Troll)

koan (80826) | more than 4 years ago | (#31136460)

OK moderators, I stand by what I said, fat people are disgusting, there are people where I work so fat they can't get upstairs if the elevator is not working, and sitting next to fatties on a plane is the worst, no where to go to escape the wheezing, foul smelling, blob next to you while they rub all over you.

From my perspective they are no different than drug addicts.

Re:LOL (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31136522)

OK moderators, I stand by what I said, fat people are disgusting, there are people where I work so fat they can't get upstairs if the elevator is not working, and sitting next to fatties on a plane is the worst, no where to go to escape the wheezing, foul smelling, blob next to you while they rub all over you.

From my perspective they are no different than drug addicts.

Lets replace fatties with blacks and see if you stand by your statement, shall we?

Re:LOL (1)

jaymz666 (34050) | more than 4 years ago | (#31136574)

Then you have no idea what you are talking about. Move along.

Re:LOL (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31136580)

The fact that it's your perspective doesn't mean you aren't an asshole.

Does this mean.... (-1, Offtopic)

east coast (590680) | more than 4 years ago | (#31136280)

Does this mean that every geek culture icon is suddenly going to get front page around here anytime they make the news? Kevin Smith is a nothing in the tech world. Beyond his Star Wars mentions in every film he does I don't see any reason why the geeks embrace him.

Re:Does this mean.... (1)

xcut (1533357) | more than 4 years ago | (#31136332)

I hope the parent of this post gets modded up. Why should we give a **** about this story?

Re:Does this mean.... (1)

Idiomatick (976696) | more than 4 years ago | (#31136602)

Airport stupidity is a common theme on /. but yeah, this should be put in the broken idle section rather than entertainment.

Re:Does this mean.... (1)

selven (1556643) | more than 4 years ago | (#31136398)

I'm a geek and I didn't (and still don't) know who Kevin Smith is.

Re:Does this mean.... (1)

zippthorne (748122) | more than 4 years ago | (#31136518)

It's not science geeks that love Smith, its comics geeks [google.com]

News for Nerds, Stuff that Matters (5, Insightful)

TinBromide (921574) | more than 4 years ago | (#31136286)

I still think its awesome, but let's keep this next celebrity rivalry off of slashdot. Slashdot didn't cover trump vs o'donnel, and it doesn't cover paris hilton, so while Kevin Smith is a nerd celeb, let's not report on every twitter update in this matter? Mmmkay?

Re:News for Nerds, Stuff that Matters (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31136416)

I still think its awesome, but let's keep this next celebrity rivalry off of slashdot. Slashdot didn't cover trump vs o'donnel, and it doesn't cover paris hilton, so while Kevin Smith is a nerd celeb, let's not report on every twitter update in this matter? Mmmkay?

It's an excuse for a massive flamewar between the obese nerds munching on pizza and the excessively skinny nerds sucking down sugar-free caffeine drinks. Anything to take our minds off the fact that it is February 14th again and Natalie Portman still hasn't turned up at our door covered in hot grits and bearing a court order reversing the previous decision and allowing us to communicate with her again.... sigh.....

I think this is probably wrong and demented...... (3, Funny)

phantomfive (622387) | more than 4 years ago | (#31136290)

........but somehow the only thing I can feel about this is "Yay Southwest!" Hello schadenfreude. I am an asshole.

Re:I think this is probably wrong and demented.... (1)

Keruo (771880) | more than 4 years ago | (#31136404)

This is a case where Mr. Smith should excercise his body (and reconsider his diet) rather than his right to free speech. Being obese will shorten his lifespan.
And while speaking of airliners, captain in a plane is as much a captain as one on a boat. If he says you're not welcome on board, you're out.

Re:I think this is probably wrong and demented.... (1)

mazevedo (117804) | more than 4 years ago | (#31136516)

"Being obese will shorten his lifespan."

And you are? His mother? Father? Wife? Even those people have no right to say that he must change his diet!
Anyway, as far as I know, and he describes it, his plane was not even full.
If things are as he said (there's always the version, of course - and I've read nothing about it) than I think it's discrimination. Period!

Really? (1, Insightful)

XPeter (1429763) | more than 4 years ago | (#31136310)

Isn't this supposed to be a tech site? Not "popeater?"

C'mon /.

Re:Really? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31136378)

Isn't this supposed to be a tech site? Not "poopeater?"

FTFY

If he were fat (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31136320)

And named Mohammed, he wouldn't have been kicked off the plane.

Why does he even bother? (0, Troll)

linuxgeek64 (1246964) | more than 4 years ago | (#31136322)

He's just going to die of a heart attack soon enough, anyway. There's no reason to try to get back the right to bother everyone else if he's going to have a heart attack or just explode within the next fourteen seconds.

Well, there goes Southwest (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31136342)

As someone who lives in Los Angeles and frequently flies Southwest, I'm going to take selfish approach and be angry with Kevin Smith. Southwest has taken a number of actions to keep their rates low compared to their competition, and this is only going to hurt that. :(

SWA is aware, dealing w/ it (3, Informative)

horatio (127595) | more than 4 years ago | (#31136348)

Southwest Airlines was aware of the situation last night, and is working to remedy it. Nothing to see here, move along rubber neckers. From @SouthwestAir:

I've read the tweets all night from @thatkevinsmith - He'll be getting a call at home from our Customer Relations VP tonight.

So why is this posted as a story on /.?

Re:SWA is aware, dealing w/ it (5, Insightful)

TooMuchToDo (882796) | more than 4 years ago | (#31136414)

The only reason they're working to resolve it is because of Kevin Smith. If it was a nobody with no platform to mention this from, Southwest would've cared much less.

Re:SWA is aware, dealing w/ it (4, Insightful)

JustNilt (984644) | more than 4 years ago | (#31136584)

The only reason they're working to resolve it is because of Kevin Smith. If it was a nobody with no platform to mention this from, Southwest would've cared much less.

Actually, I suspect it's mostly because it's on Twitter that they reacted at all. Random average Joes have had similar responses from other corporations as well. They tend to be scared to death of bad publicity and Twitter especially seems to make them nervous.

Of course, the fact that it's a celebrity, however minor (sorry Kevin; I love your films but ...) on Twitter doesn't exactly hurt.

Re:SWA is aware, dealing w/ it (1)

Jackie_Chan_Fan (730745) | more than 4 years ago | (#31136428)

Because Kevin Smith is awesome

Re:SWA is aware, dealing w/ it (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31136476)

Because Kevin Smith has a movie coming out!

Re:SWA is aware, dealing w/ it (2, Funny)

GabriellaKat (748072) | more than 4 years ago | (#31136572)

Southwest Airlines was aware of the situation last night, and is working to remedy it. Nothing to see here, move along rubber neckers. From @SouthwestAir:

I've read the tweets all night from @thatkevinsmith - He'll be getting a call at home from our Customer Relations VP tonight.

So why is this posted as a story on /.?

Because a lot of /.'er are Kevin Smith fans, and fat? (ducks and prepares to lose her Karma)

The Roll-Over effect? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31136368)

Is this a question of efficiency or the adequacy of seating a customer who WILL be taking space in the next seat from another paying customer? Or it is a nod to the need for nerds to be concerned about their actual health not just their virtual health?

Perhaps this item is better entitled, The Spill-over Effect: The Unintended Consequences of Charging by the Seat and not the Liter.

I bet the American airlines could improve their bottom line (no pun intended) if they would develop a price structure similar UPS. Sir, what is your height, weight and girth? We're sorry, we have valued your business to be in excess of the reasonable limits that your row-mates can tolerate.

Silent Bob (1, Insightful)

conureman (748753) | more than 4 years ago | (#31136372)

Known to be eloquent and verbose on occasion. Not unlike his creator.

Next flight? They're all the same! (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31136390)

Okay, so they put him on the next flight and gave him a $100 voucher. Whatever.

BUT - Southwest prides themselves on only using a single aircraft (the 737), and AFAIK a single configuration. So what would be the point of booting him off one flight and putting him on another? Same airline, same seating configuration. It's not like they're moving him from a 737 to a 747 to handle his additional immense girth.

At best, I'll grant that maybe the subsequent flight had fewer passengers to offset him. That's the only thing that even remotely makes sense about it.

And yes, I'm well aware of the fact that he just ain't big enough to justify this. Unless he's ballooned up a lot recently, of course.

Know what *really* bugs me? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31136406)

I'm about 135 pounds. Why the fuck do I get charged extra if my bag is 55 pounds, when the fat bastard behind me has 150 pounds on me, and his bag is slightly less? Like somebody mentioned above, yes, I DO think they should weigh people before they get on. The nominal reason for this is fuel charges, right? Can I get a discount because I'm not toting my giant bloated belly around?
</rant>

Re:Know what *really* bugs me? (1)

mstahl (701501) | more than 4 years ago | (#31136442)

That's actually a really good point, but I don't think most people think of it that way. The airlines have now trained customers to think that they're paying for the privilege of not having to schlep their luggage onto the plane, not for the extra weight it will add to the airplane.

Re:Know what *really* bugs me? (1)

mxh83 (1607017) | more than 4 years ago | (#31136464)

I second this motion. Weigh the people with the bags and set limits.

I would do the same as Southwest. (-1, Troll)

mxh83 (1607017) | more than 4 years ago | (#31136418)

If you're that fat and you don't care, you shouldn't EXPECT to be treated equally as others. @thatkevinsmith didn't give a shit while he was becoming a fat slob. Now he wails when he's deemed to be a risk to fly with. Southwest are right, and @thatkevinsmith is just a fat loser. If I were on that plane I wouldn't want to fly if someone tells me the fat fuck is a risk to the rest of the people.

Re:I would do the same as Southwest. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31136508)

If you read the actual article/tweets- he was fully seated and buckled in with both armrests down.

Streisand effect (1)

oldhack (1037484) | more than 4 years ago | (#31136462)

But profitable.

If anything, this will boost SWA sale.

Re:Streisand effect (1)

oldhack (1037484) | more than 4 years ago | (#31136504)

Well, maybe not exactly Streisand effect, but you know what I'm saying...

awesome! (0, Troll)

Weezul (52464) | more than 4 years ago | (#31136466)

I'm occasionally the guy who gives up his seat on an oversold flight in exchange for a free flight, but I'd support reforming the airline standard ticket policy to say :

If a flight is oversold, the airline will first remove any obese people, thus ensuring that remaining passengers are as comfortable as possible. If the flight is still oversold, the airline must offer their usual compensation scheme.

I think the key word here is obese, usually defined as a BMI over 30 kg/m^2, i.e. weight divided by height squared. You might not enjoy sitting next to a person with a BMI around say 28 kg/m^2, but they'll basically remain inside their seat. Anyone whose BMI exceeds 30 will spill over into your seat, so removing them will make the crowded flight much more pleasant.

If he's still his Silent Bob weight, then Kevin Smith's BMI lies between 25 and 30, classifying him as overweight, but not obese. If he's obese now, then he really need to lose weight immediately, or else face serious health problems.

Re:awesome! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31136608)

BMI is complete bullshit, I'm 5' 11" and weigh 220 pounds, so my BMI is 30.7 so I'm technically obese. Can't say I've ever have trouble fitting in aeroplane seats and to imply that if I lost the 6 pounds required to move me merely into the overweight category it would make any difference to the person sitting next to me is ludicrous.

Muscle means BMI is worthless. (1)

WiiVault (1039946) | more than 4 years ago | (#31136612)

For those of us who spend lots of time lifting weights BMI is pretty useless. Muscle is denser than fat, many of my friends in great shape have a BMI over 30. These guys may be large, but they certainly aren't obese.

Southwest has a reputation for this. (1)

Vellmont (569020) | more than 4 years ago | (#31136478)

A&E had a reality show called Airline that featured Southwest from 2004-2005 that had several episodes where people were forced to buy a second seat if someone judged them "too fat". So this is a policy that Southwest has had for a long time, and isn't just some crazy pilot or booking agent just came up with but is rather something that comes from the top down.

It always seemed a bit embarrassing for everyone involved to me. I don't recall much detail from 5 years ago, but I do remember thinking some of the people judged "too fat" looked large, but not so large to affect the passenger next to them. It wasn't a very flattering series for Southwest, as a lot of the stories concentrated on bad aspects of flying. (Some of which were airline employees acting like control freaks)

Re:Southwest has a reputation for this. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31136582)

nice knipfel reference in your sig, even if i prefer his original where activist = spiritual.

Southwest Airlines "Customer of Size" Q&A (5, Informative)

codeonezero (540302) | more than 4 years ago | (#31136494)

According to http://www.southwest.com/travel_center/cos_qa.html [southwest.com]

It sounds like the determination is made if you can not fit within the confines of a standard seat with the arm rests down on both sides. I wonder if they don't have a test airplane seat you can sit in before hand at the terminal before trying to board or set of measurements you can take at home before buying your ticket/boarding to reduce the potential for embarrassment of being forced off the plane once you try to seat onboard.

From the link above:
"I am a large person and use a seatbelt extension, but I fit in one aircraft seat. Do I have to purchase two seats? Our policy does not focus on weight, and the seatbelt extension is not the determining factor. We use the ability to lower the armrests as the gauge, as the armrests are truly the definitive boundary between each seat."

Another interesting tidibt from the link:
Are all overweight people subject to the policy?
Many Americans are "overweight" or "clinically obese." A number of overweight or obese people occupy only one seat. In fact, many Customers may use a seatbelt extension but occupy only one seat, and these Customers would not be asked to reserve a second seat. If a Customer cannot lower the armrest (and is unable to comfortably travel with it in the down position), he/she is required to pay for the additional seat occupied. Again, we will offer a refund if the flight does not oversell.

Here's what really happened ... (5, Funny)

tomhudson (43916) | more than 4 years ago | (#31136524)

Here's what really happened.

The pilot, a registered Republican, woke up from his nap (pilots cat-nap as much as they can because of the new budget-saving schedules), saw the guy, and mistook him for Michael Moore.

Yuh Huh (4, Interesting)

Greyfox (87712) | more than 4 years ago | (#31136526)

As someone who's flown several times with some fat fuck overlapping into the seat I paid for, I really wish they'd do that more often.

If you take up two seats, pay for two seats. And not one here and one 4 aisles back.

About all those "serves him right" posts... (1, Insightful)

neumayr (819083) | more than 4 years ago | (#31136558)

What is it with the animosity towards large people?
Sure, most of the time they themselves are to blame for the state they're in. So what? It's their choice, and they shouldn't have to endure getting frowned upon, let alone being openly insulted.
I mean, c'mon, when the seats in an airliner are too small for the person, it's the person's fault? How so? Because he's larger than most others? A quick google search says that the average person in the US weighs 7 kg more than "ideal", so the airlines should of course have to adjust their seats accordingly. They're way too small anyway.
IMO, the airline is to blame when a large person inconveniences someone else due to the size of the seats. Don't ignore their failing just because big people are such easy targets =)

Too Fat to Fly? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31136588)

Fortunately for me, I'm not that big of a person. 6'3 and 210 - a touch overweight, but not enough to spill into the next seat.

Coach seats are not comfortable - for anyone, of any size. I can understand the issue you may have if sitting next to an overweight person. Heck, I'm usually uncomfortable enough when there are 2 skinny people beside me if I'm unlucky enough to get the bitch seat.... because the armrests always get taken by whomever gets their arm on it first, so I'm forced to suck my arms in or do the "my arm in front, yours in back" routine.

My wife is overweight. She's not so much that she's massive, but it would be uncomfortable to sit beside her in coach. On a recent flight, the person beside her made her feel horrible by muttering the whole time and not asking or talking to her about moving, or possibly me lifting the rest between us and having her scoot over.

This problem partly stems from people being overweight for seating conditions, and my wife was one of those people who is overweight enough to make you feel uncomfortable. BUT - to help the situation, talk. We're all on the plane together and have varying levels of frustration, but my wife has been laid up for a better part of 2 years with different medical conditions that do make it difficult for her to get to the gym. She could tell you the why and what if you asked her, but instead you feel like making her feel even worse about herself, helping along the cycle.....

We're all stuck on these flights together people, and we all have our stresses when we hit that coach section of the plane. It would be wonderful if we could all just do the best in the situation we're dealt - and perhaps, even offer up to swap seats etc if it would make you feel more comfortable. There are things we can do for each other to make it a more enjoyable experience, but I guess it's easier to just bitch and moan about it......

To fat to fly? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 4 years ago | (#31136600)

Then loose some damn weight or purchase two seats. I'm not fat but have flown on planes many times where the fat person next to me spills into my seat. The one I'm paying full price for.
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